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Old February 8th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #1061
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I like this as much as I dislike the former 2WTC design. I do wish it would 'keep going' up to a point, then it could be a BK beater!
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Old February 8th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #1062
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Design is pretty good, height is relatively lame for this particular city.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 12:07 AM   #1063
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I like it. If the terraces are that green, even better. And the effect of the spiral lit up at night has just the right amount of drama. This is great for an office tower.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:10 AM   #1064
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It is pretty interesting, many times here people are obsessed with a intrincated formality in a building for the pure sick of it. I prefer a building that brings something interesting other than just that. And anyway, I think this building just for the exterior form is pretty interesting anyway, simple but bold, not "just a box" as many says.

I much prefer the fashionable concept of garden in the sky which actually improves the experience of the occupants of the building, that the trend of twisting towers which doesn't add anything to that. The original of those, the Turning Torso is ok, since its sculptural form is iconic in that city, and it is eleganly designed, but many of others are not near as iconic as they pretend to be and are plain ugly.

And it doesn't matter if those terraces end up not being as green as depicted, that is not the main deal with that. It is for the people working on that building to have an outdoor space (combined with some indoor space) to gather or have a little break. Yes, there will be indeed many days were it will be to cold and uninviting to go ouside there, but there will be many other days that would be a pleasure (and I think that the pleasurable days will be more than the uninviting ones) so the existence of some nasty days during the year is not a reason for not doing that. Also it will give very good interior spaces.

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How in Earth the height could be "lame", at 1005 ft, if constructed right now, it will be tied at number 7 with ONE57, in the ranking of the tallest buildings in New York City (and that is including the spires of Chrysler, BofA and NYT) It certainly will fall out of the top ten once constructed, but still will be among the tallest of the city. And in a place, near the Hudson, that makes it stand out more that if located in the center of the island. Not every new building constructed has to be "the tallest".
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:29 AM   #1065
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Reminds me a lot of the despised 2WTC.
I'll never forgive BIG for 2WTC, but this doesn't remind me of it at all. I'm getting more of a Maha Nakhon vibe and that's a good thing.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #1066
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For what was touted as the potential Hudson Spire, not even going 1,400-1,500 ft (including a spire/crown ornamentation mind you) is a disappointment. Stand out, already.... be bold and creative...yes I know it's got BIG's quirkiness, and here I can get behind it too as opposed to WTC2(now that FOX is out of the picture, so should BIG). Yet I really hope this is preliminary, and that the height is increased by the time the foundation starts going vertical.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:45 AM   #1067
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Bjarke's work is more and more becoming work that can only truly be admired from up close, and is a bit uninspiring from afar. His tetrahedron on the west side isn't like that at all. But his new work seems a bit uninspired. Sad, he used to be my favorite architect, and he's given way to SHoP and Snohetta being easy winners against him.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 05:18 PM   #1068
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Looks like a conservative Maha Nakhon. That's not a bad thing btw as I do like this tower and how it will compliment the density of Hudson Yards.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #1069
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Tishman Speyer and Bjarke Ingels Unveil The Spiral

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Consisting of 2.85 million square feet of space in a 65-storey building, The Spiral aims to host offices and a six-floor podium with 27,000 square feet of first-class retail. Its exterior features a spiralling staircase of generous open spaces. Every floor of the tower will have its own dedicated terrace to enjoy, allowing workers to engage in a more flexible and dynamic work environment. A large amenity deck located on the seventh floor provides a common area for tenants to mingle. Featuring virtually column-free interiors and expansive ceiling heights, city and river views will be available in the building, which will likely achieve LEED certification of some kind.

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Old February 9th, 2016, 10:07 PM   #1070
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NEW YORK | 435 10th Ave. (ex Hudson Spire) | ~300m | ~984ft | 61 fl | Pro

It's never a good sign when a rendering relies on a bunch of over-saturated greenery to create visual interest. Once management decides it's not worth the effort to maintain those terraces (which will probably be before it ever opens), anything interesting about this building will be lost.

This thing is totally lacking in grace. Comparing it to Turning Torso is a joke.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 10:07 PM   #1071
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How in Earth the height could be "lame", at 1005 ft, if constructed right now, it will be tied at number 7 with ONE57, in the ranking of the tallest buildings in New York City (and that is including the spires of Chrysler, BofA and NYT) It certainly will fall out of the top ten once constructed, but still will be among the tallest of the city. And in a place, near the Hudson, that makes it stand out more that if located in the center of the island. Not every new building constructed has to be "the tallest".
I said *relatively* lame, meaning for a city like NYC, 1005 is not much height. Of course not every building has to be a new tallest but we were led to believe it would be something much more than this.

It in itself is a decent building of decent proportions but for this site it's disappointing. 3 million square feet should have yielded us a signature tower higher than 30HY.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:17 AM   #1072
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I said *relatively* lame, meaning for a city like NYC, 1005 is not much height. Of course not every building has to be a new tallest but we were led to believe it would be something much more than this.

It in itself is a decent building of decent proportions but for this site it's disappointing. 3 million square feet should have yielded us a signature tower higher than 30HY.
Totally agree.
Bjarke did a pretty good job here, but the point is that everyone expected this to be the centerpiece of HY area. Considering the huge price tag and square footage (in the league of 30 HY and 2WTC,), it had the preliminar conditions to be a 1400-1500 footer, and for some of us, kind of thrilling knowing that BIG was involved. This could've been a truly spire, or maybe a size-wise brother for 30 HY.
We ended up with a rather interesting tower, in terms of design , but kind of "meh" when it comes to height because what I mentioned above, altough it's still tall.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:20 AM   #1073
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Well, it's not super tall anymore, if all the neighbors are supertalls.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #1074
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At least it's a supertall.

That said, there's nothing original about this at all. It's a box with random lines here and there. This is what I hate about Bjark. He tries to come off as some kind of architectural visionary. But this design has been done before! And let's be honest, those trees won't materialize. In the end it will be a giant box with a few lines. And it looks fat from the South, which was my main criticism of 2WTC (which looked fat from Tribeca). I was expecting much more out of this, but at least this will be hidden by the gorgeous Girasole and 30 Hudson Yards.

It's a bit anticlimactic, no? The 1,800' will just be another tower lost in the skyline
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Old February 10th, 2016, 01:31 AM   #1075
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Reminds me a bit of the Viñoly building in Amsterdam.




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Old February 10th, 2016, 02:17 AM   #1076
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Well, it's not super tall anymore, if all the neighbors are supertalls.
These days I think a supertall is more like 380+ meters instead of 300, but 300 is still obviously a very tall building, just not in a place like Manhattan.
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Personally I am disappointed, the building itself is okay. It's nothing special, nothing new just good enough. It does annoy me that BIG thinks this design is something special. It's not. The tower this reminds me of most is just down the street in Times Square.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 02:02 PM   #1078
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Beautiful!

Just wish it was taller
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Old February 10th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #1079
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It would be fun walking up those steps.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 06:26 PM   #1080
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I said *relatively* lame, meaning for a city like NYC, 1005 is not much height. Of course not every building has to be a new tallest but we were led to believe it would be something much more than this.

It in itself is a decent building of decent proportions but for this site it's disappointing. 3 million square feet should have yielded us a signature tower higher than 30HY.
Yeah I understood that. And I said that relatively to New York, if constructed today, it would be the 7th taller (and that is considering shorter-towers-with-spires-making-them-taller) and still would be among the top 20 when built, so I don't think the height would be "relatively lame"

Comparing it to 30Hy is a bit unfair since that has "only" 2,6 million sqft of office space, but it sits atop of an enormous retail podium, plus it has a huge entertainment/viewing area at the top. If you just take the observatory part of 30 HY off, it would be about the same height as this tower.

I sometimes don't understand why the people are always so obsessed with the height of the towers as an end in itself. They don't build them for being tall towers, it is a real state business. In the case of 30HY a taller tower works for them because they have that (expected to be very profitable) observatory area on the top, that isn't just the case here. You may say that all the towers in the Hudson Blvd will have similar heights, but what would make a building standout there won't be being the tallest of them, for potential tenants that won't matter so much, but the posibility of having different spaces inside the tower instead. And that is what they are aiming for, not for having the tallest tower.

And by the way, that Hudson Spire thing was never a serious proposal, just a marketing strategy.

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This thing is totally lacking in grace. Comparing it to Turning Torso is a joke.
I never compared it to the Turning Torso, I said I prefer the "garden in the sky" trend, over than the purely formal "twisting tower" trend. And of turning torso I said that as the tower that inaugurated that trend, It indeed achieved its porpouse of being an iconic tower for that city with its sculptural and elegant form, but most of the twisting towers that came after, are not iconic and are rather ugly. That type of towers epitomize for me the trend of having something "different" just for the sick of it. The, "hey, let's make something different, let's make a twisting tower" attitude.






Here's a video of the tower. Those analogies with galaxies and DNA are kind of "whatever", but making that spiral in the building indeed serves a purpouse and it is not just a gratuitous formal thing. It is the external manifestation of two themes of the buildings: 1) having informal outdoor/indoor spaces accesible for the people working on every floor of the building and 2) the posibility for a tenant ocuping several floors to have its offices more vertically integrated than conventional "plate over plate" buildings. (Although this building has also basically a plate over plate scheme, that spiral allows for integrating them)

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