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Old February 10th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #1081
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I like it. Simple, with a bit of personality added with the spiral. I think it'll complement the surrounding buildings just fine given that it won't be as high.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #1082
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Yeah I understood that. And I said that relatively to New York, if constructed today, it would be the 7th taller (and that is considering shorter-towers-with-spires-making-them-taller) and still would be among the top 20 when built, so I don't think the height would be "relatively lame"

Comparing it to 30Hy is a bit unfair since that has "only" 2,6 million sqft of office space, but it sits atop of an enormous retail podium, plus it has a huge entertainment/viewing area at the top. If you just take the observatory part of 30 HY off, it would be about the same height as this tower.

I sometimes don't understand why the people are always so obsessed with the height of the towers as an end in itself. They don't build them for being tall towers, it is a real state business. In the case of 30HY a taller tower works for them because they have that (expected to be very profitable) observatory area on the top, that isn't just the case here. You may say that all the towers in the Hudson Blvd will have similar heights, but what would make a building standout there won't be being the tallest of them, for potential tenants that won't matter so much, but the posibility of having different spaces inside the tower instead. And that is what they are aiming for, not for having the tallest tower.

And by the way, that Hudson Spire thing was never a serious proposal, just a marketing strategy.
I can't name the 7th tallest, let alone the top 20 of most cities (other than many US ones), and it's not even as much about that it's how much it sticks out on the skyline. 1005 feet would look small next to the WTC and 432 Park avenue and there are many buildings in NY to come which will dwarf this thing.

Aside from that, it might create an uncomfortable plateau at that height with the rest of the buildings... I mean it is unique looking so that's not a huge problem but still, from a distance a bunch of ~1000 foot flat topped buildings around 30 HY might look weird.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 09:14 PM   #1083
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I can't name the 7th tallest, let alone the top 20 of most cities (other than many US ones), and it's not even as much about that it's how much it sticks out on the skyline. 1005 feet would look small next to the WTC and 432 Park avenue and there are many buildings in NY to come which will dwarf this thing.

Aside from that, it might create an uncomfortable plateau at that height with the rest of the buildings... I mean it is unique looking so that's not a huge problem but still, from a distance a bunch of ~1000 foot flat topped buildings around 30 HY might look weird.
There's still plenty of sites within the district that we have no clue about in terms of finalized plans such as Spitzer's site and 50 Hudson Yards. Also, SHOP is designing a supertall nearby and they never disappoint!
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Old February 11th, 2016, 12:58 AM   #1084
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Omg, this guy is SO full of shit!

"Spiral shapes appear in nature as the inevitable result of dynamic forces applied to matter. It's the spiral's immaculate geometry, and the suggestion of the infinite, that has mesmerized us in all cultures"

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Old February 11th, 2016, 01:06 AM   #1085
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I love it at night. It'd be better with an extra 300 ft but oh well. Id on't know but it reminds me of this proposal a while back.

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Old February 11th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #1086
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Just a bit off topic: Did anyone noticed that in BIG's video of The Spiral, on the last scene wherethe show the view to south, they don't depict 2WTC? Maybe its some nonsense in my head, but I mean, it's the same guys who designed both towers, being the latter sort of a flagship or stellar, they could have made it appear.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 04:53 AM   #1087
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Omg, this guy is SO full of shit!

"Spiral shapes appear in nature as the inevitable result of dynamic forces applied to matter. It's the spiral's immaculate geometry, and the suggestion of the infinite, that has mesmerized us in all cultures"

He's pretty good at selling his crap to developers cause they keep hiring him.
Fair to say a lot of us here are disillusioned by him, he came out strong with W57 but since then it's been dud after dud.
This building isn't too bad but nothing great either, i'm actually wondering why Tishman would spend 3 billion on a slightly above average building in an up and coming location. At least Related's 30 HY will stand out and have the observation deck to increase revenue.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:15 AM   #1088
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Yeah, I though Tishman would use this opportunity to steal some thunder from HY.. remember, they were the original pick to develop HY before the economic downturn and Related seizing the opportunity once the Tishman bid fizzled out. You'd think Tishman would tweak Related by having a prominent tower built there, but this new BIG project seems more gimmicky than anything else and there's no reason they couldn't have tried to go to 1,400-1,600 ft with a crown or spire. Especially with close to 3 million square feet... well, maybe they will be like Related and change designs every time you see a new rendering. We can only hope so.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:00 PM   #1089
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Behold The Spiral, Bjarke Ingels's Terraced Addition to Hudson Yards
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Not a bad design overall for this place, but way too short. It should be about 1500 ft at the minimum or such a place
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:10 PM   #1090
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Overall an OK design but nothing spectacular. I think the shape is a bit too bulky. I don't know what is up with BIG and the proportions of their recently proposed towers....
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:37 PM   #1091
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I really like a lot of BIG's earlier projects, but the latest ones look like s***, honestly
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Old February 12th, 2016, 01:51 AM   #1092
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The vegetation make it look ugly ,even if design is not ugly.
Please dear architect, watch project in Shanghai,Dubai, Miami or Singapore and get inspired by them.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 05:07 AM   #1093
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Shanghai maybe but I think the best inspiration is just around the corner, these days New York has been creating countless iconic designs. I'd say BIG should look to KPF, RAMSA, or SHoP.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 10:37 AM   #1094
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The vegetation make it look ugly ,even if design is not ugly.
Please dear architect, watch project in Shanghai,Dubai, Miami or Singapore and get inspired by them.
Everywhere but Dubai.

I like Dubai and love what they're doing there. However, most of it looks to be about 20 or 30 years behind the times in terms of fashionable architecture. I'm not saying they don't have some great buildings but so much of it is gaudy or post modern. I can only think of a couple notable buildings worth mentioning that stand out as iconic in any sense. I'm sure there are others of course (maybe the city is full of them) but they don't stand out in any way which is one thing you need a building to do to be considered iconic.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 03:35 PM   #1095
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Someone should copy Verre's design and make it 1,600ft.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 03:40 PM   #1096
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Another chunky, clumsy design from BIG. Not nearly as bad as 2 WTC, but still ... when will they stop terrorizing the NYC skyline?
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Old February 12th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #1097
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LOL!!!...At 21 am i overaged for lurking there??....
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Old February 13th, 2016, 07:18 PM   #1098
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I would way prefer it, if it would not get smaller and those terraces would be just cut into the building.
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Old February 14th, 2016, 04:30 PM   #1099
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The vegetation make it look ugly ,even if design is not ugly.
Please dear architect, watch project in Shanghai,Dubai, Miami or Singapore and get inspired by them.
Don't worry. The only vegetation you will is on the rendering.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #1100
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I like the interconnected floors. I've found that only a few hundred people on your own open floor don't make enough noise to fully distract you from work, I've always felt the need to listen to other jackasses a few floors above and below while trying to work.
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