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Old January 24th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #161
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Horrible location to add yet more skyscrapers. The traffic is close to a standstill already around the congested lincoln tunnel, and they want to add this thing, on top of the massive hudson yards projects?
I hope they'll have a helipad on the roof because that would be the only way they'll be able to move.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #162
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Horrible location?? All of midtown is inescapable of standstill traffic. Where would you like this skyscraper to be built? Harlem?

The whole Hudson Yards enchilada has commenced and there will be plenty more skyscrapers to come in this area.

The one way to relieve the traffic is congestion pricing proposed by the Bloomberg Administration. This may be the only way to solve this issue in a growing city at the same time upgrading it’s infrastructure like what is already being done with the #7 extension and hopefully ultimately extending it to Jersey.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #163
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Horrible location?? All of midtown is inescapable of standstill traffic. Where would you like this skyscraper to be built? Harlem?

The whole Hudson Yards enchilada has commenced and there will be plenty more skyscrapers to come in this area.

The one way to relieve the traffic is congestion pricing proposed by the Bloomberg Administration. This may be the only way to solve this issue in a growing city at the same time upgrading it’s infrastructure like what is already being done with the #7 extension and hopefully ultimately extending it to Jersey.
This is more than just midtown.
That location is particularly horrible because of the Lincoln tunnel and as a north-south axis on the west side.
They should think of ways to alleviate the congestion first before making their innumerable grandiose plans in that neighborhood. The hours I've spent stuck in traffic because of those damn tunnels. And they want to dump a huge new residential/office neighborhood, and on top of that, developers want to grab everything around the hudson yards like this project.
I'm sure they'll enjoy having the mile long line of buses making their way around to the PA.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #164
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Hey 3tmk, get out of your car!!
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:19 AM   #165
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haha I rarely if ever drive, and that's my point of how horrible that place is. Because in the end, it is a main thoroughfare, badly planned, lacking the appropriate infrastructure, and this will only exacerbate the problem by dumping so much more activity. The area itself is empty, but for those trying to get through it, it is hell, and you cannot block a vital point of access like the holland tunnel.
When you look at the East side access tunnel being further delayed, yet the rush to develop these new residential areas makes me wonder what our city's priority is.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:59 AM   #166
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makes me wonder what our city's priority is.
The city's priority is growth and to have less people taking their cars in the city and encourage people to use the public transportation system.

It's really wise you elect not to drive in to avoid the headache of traffic. That is what the city wants and that is their #1 weopon used as a deterrent to stop people taking their cars.

Why did the city create pedestrian plazas when it would only exacerbate the problem? Tolls to cross are expensive, they award drivers with big discounts for car pooling and the next step may be congestion pricing to make it too expensive for people to bring in their cars during peak hours.

It's like the cigarette tax in NYC. Make it too expensive to get people to quit. Congesting pricing and all other factors mentioned would get people to quit bringing their cars into the city. All of these factors will achieve the city's priority.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #167
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Given the interest of Chinese investors in the de facto capital, I can see the China Spire rising!

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/01/...-chinese-cash/
I can see a lot of speculation in this thread.
I hope you're right though.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #168
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It's entirely possible that Related will buy the site and build a 350m tower, but it's also very possible that the Chinese will, particularly given the turbulence in EM.
Exactly because of the uncertainty in the EM, it's all more the reason for the Chinese to invest in places that are more stable. A lot of the Chinese investments already made overseas the past couple of years was probably done in anticipation of expectations of a slower Chinese economy.

As for Related buying this site, it would be my preference they do not IMO. Related would most likely not build a tower higher than their trophy tower, 30 Hudson Yards. Plus if another entity buys this Spire site, we would see something here rise quicker & taller than if it was Related.

They have too much on their plate as it is especially with 50, 55 and that adjacent site next to Spitzer that are zoned for commercial office space.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #169
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That original design wasn't the full 2.5 mil sq ft right?
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #170
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That original design wasn't the full 2.5 mil sq ft right?
That's what they said though I do not believe it.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 12:28 AM   #171
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I do not think it takes much to lift his first New York building over 800 meters. Already have 2 with 500 ...
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Old January 26th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #172
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Chinese cash flow!

101 Bedford Opens Last Leases; Int'l Developers Seek Anything

Friday, January 24, 2014, by Zoe Rosenberg

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Brokerage firm Nestseekers has sent out a plea on behalf of a client looking to buy ...anything:

Hello, We represent a private Chinese corporation that will arrange 700 million USD to purchase a development land parcel to construct a mixed use or a residential building(must be 100,000+ buildable sq ft) in NYC(Manhattan only), San Francisco or Los Angeles.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #173
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Cool. That could be the start of something.
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Old January 28th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #174
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If I had my way, I should have had a skyscraper that is 500-metres to the roof within the Hudson Yards redevelopment area. I thought about 30 Hudson Yards being increased to 500 metres for awhile, because I doubted there would be enough space for a completely new tower with such a height.

But I guess the "Height Just to Impress" game probably isn't beneficial; no offense to anyone here.
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Old January 28th, 2014, 07:38 AM   #175
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amazing design and I love the idea of a tower there. It will make this whole area complete with the really dominant alpha tower. great idea
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Old January 29th, 2014, 04:03 PM   #176
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Build the China Spire!

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Old January 29th, 2014, 08:17 PM   #177
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If a Chinese form does end up acquiring this site I hope they come up with a better name than China 'Spire'.
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Old January 29th, 2014, 08:44 PM   #178
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better.
it's just personal preference, I don't like calling whole buildings spires. Just the pointy crowns on top
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Old January 29th, 2014, 08:44 PM   #179
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Right! Although, while that would be awesome for skyscraper enthusiasts, I'm not sure it totally sits right with me as an American.
There is symbolic for those that want to see a symbolic to it, but at the end it does not mean much. The largest tower in China, the SWFC in Shanghai was built by a Japanese developer together with American and European investors.

At the end of the day, it is just a building. Business as usual.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #180
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There is symbolic for those that want to see a symbolic to it, but at the end it does not mean much. The largest tower in China, the SWFC in Shanghai was built by a Japanese developer together with American and European investors.

At the end of the day, it is just a building. Business as usual.
As I recall, the Chinese made him change the design to turn the original circular hole into a square -- specifically because they felt the circle was reminiscent of the Japanese flag.

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