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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:31 PM   #1
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Wally's Biggest Skylines

there are many approaches of comparing skylines, my favorite approach before was what the ultrapolis project did. taking the 10 tallest buildings in a city and measuring the average height of these buildings. this way a cluster of tall buildings has a greater impact on the change of score than one big one. the problem however is that many tall buildings after that tenth tallest do not have any impact on the score, so the astonishing number of skyscrapers in cities like Hong Kong and New York, the skyscraper oceans, do not give their city any extra points.

Emporis has the by far weirdest comparing method in my opinion. It gives points for any building in the database. So a building with only a couple of floors gives already points. they try to compensate that by giving buildings with 100 floors, hundreds of points, but the result still shows that a lot of buildings give so many points in the end, that big buildings do not matter much anymore.

The easiest method to compare is by straight comparing numbers. for example which city has the most 300m+ buildings and then ranking them, the same can go for 200m+ buildings and so on. the problem with that is that taller buildings are of course much much more impressive than 200m buildings and such, therefor there needs to be a reasonable way of giving points and summing them up in the end.

And that's where my idea comes into play. I will try to get lists of the number of buildings over (200m,300m,...,800m) and every building over 200m gets one point. every building over 300m gets 2 additional points, every building over 400m gets 3 additional points. with that system buildings over 500m will get 10 points and then every additional 100m gives another 5 points instead. So that the score of a city will be as follows:
#B(200m+) + 2*#B(300m+) + 3*#B(400m+) + 4*#B(500m+) + 5*#B(600m+) + 5*#B(700m+) + ...
the system to count seems rather random, but i thought about it for a bit and found it quite fitting. when i think about a city i like and imagine what building would be a cool addition and i do think that a twin 500m tower would be as amazing as a single 700m building. in the system both would give 20 points to the total score. Extremely tall buildings like Kingdom Tower will still give a massive amount of points, but in my opinion 35 points for a 1000m building in a city is actually a pretty fair amount considering there are cities with over 60 buildings over 200m, which means the small numbers pile up as well as the big buildings. Tv and observation towers will also not be ignored though. only observation towers over 300m will be counted and they will be counted the same as the buildings, with the one different that each height jump is one further. so a tv tower of 600m gives as many points as a 500m tall building would give. For simplicity i will use architectural height in the list. I would rather have several lists of buildings to the tip and buildings to the roof and then counting the roof height twice and in the end dividing it all by three and therefor getting rid of the spire problem by giving spires only a third of the points similar to what ultrapolis did in their rankings, yet i do think overcomplicating things will not be worth it in the end.
I will collect the data from the SSP database. Although it is not the most complete database, i think it is the best option, since i am an editor in it. So any mistake that is found while collecting data can be corrected by me. So when you find that a number is incorrect in the list, do not just tell me to change it, but rather try to find what building exactly was missing in the database instead, so i can change the database as well as my list. Also this list is supposed to give an overview, so if there are 1 or 2 points difference because of a 200m building being only topped out or the final height is unclear it shouldn't be that big of a difference in the overall picture.
Currently the list features cities around the world already. Some of the biggest ones, yet also some random ones. If there is a city you would like to have added, just mention it and i can do it. There are probably a lot of cities still with a decent score that i forgot about. I covered a lot of chinese cities, but for American cities for example i do not really know which ones have many buildings. Also i am likely to forget to check for Towers, so if there is a city that has a TV Tower over 300m and i forgot it, you can also mention it to help complete the list. I havn't worked with google docs before, so i am not sure yet if i should make it available for change to everyone or just invite few people, because when i do the U/C list it will be a lot messier. I also arranged it in the way that it is really easy to involve other counting mechanics, for example if you think supertalls should give 5 points instead of 1, i can make a new row featuring another score system, as i did with one row that gives only half points for the 200m buildings and called it H/score.

Hope you enjoy, it certainly was fun creating it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...lE&usp=sharing
this is the document. you are not allowed to change anything as of yet, but if you want to use the whole database and sort it after country or any of the other data, you can simply copy the whole thing or download it for open office or another program and it should be no problem.

The 10 Biggest Skylines in the world currently are:
1. Dubai (122 Points)
2. Hong Kong (81 Points)
3. Shanghai (61 Points)
3. New York (61 Points)
5. Guangzhou (45 Points)
5. Chicago (45 Points)
7. Shenzhen (41 Points)
8. Tokyo (30 Points)
9. Kuala Lumpur (30 Points)
10. Singapore (22 Points)

The 10 Biggest Skylines of the Future:
1. Dubai (145 Points)
2. Shenzhen (101 Points)
3. New York (90 Points)
4. Hong Kong (82 Points)
5. Shanghai (81 Points)
6. Tianjin (74 Points)
7. Mumbai (76 Points)
8. Guangzhou (72 Points)
9. Wuhan (51 Points)
10. Jeddah (49 Points)
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:45 PM   #2
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So the CN Tower in that table scored 6 points?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:56 PM   #3
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yes, for the towers i count the very tip of the tower. CN Tower: 1 Point (over 300m) + 2 Points (over 400m) + 3 Points (over 500m) = 6 points

i think it is quite reasonable to score a building of that dominance 6 times a "normal" 200m skyscraper.

so basically it is:
Building over 200m / tower over 300m : 1 Point
Building over 300m / tower over 400m : 3 Point
Building over 400m / tower over 500m : 6 Point
Building over 500m / tower over 600m : 10 Point
Building over 600m / tower over 700m : 15 Point
Building over 700m / tower over 800m : 20 Point
Building over 800m / tower over 900m : 25 Point
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:59 PM   #4
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I agree on that point.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 04:29 PM   #5
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Funny, I have something like this method already in the thread "best skylines in Europe" shown.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:51 PM   #6
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so the Burj Khalifa is worth 8 Empire State Buildings?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:56 PM   #7
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the thread title should be called the tallest skyline instead with this method.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:41 PM   #8
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added also the U/C counts. i do now have 110 cities in the table with scores for complete/U/C and both.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:53 PM   #9
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very good thread....
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Nice list.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:31 PM   #11
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the thread title should be called the tallest skyline instead with this method.
It is too height focused, imo. Nothing between 100-200m counts at all. Sao Paulo and Vancouver have no skyline at all according to these criteria.
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Of course, the easy flaw in this is that a 299m building is worth the same as a 200m building, while a 300m building is worth 3 times as many points as that 299m building.

For those of you from down under, Q1 is worth 3 times as much as Eureka!
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i know about that problem and there just is no simple fix against that, we always had that problem with no matter where you have to pull the line. there is a building in tianjin U/C that is short 20cm of being 300m and goldin finance is damn short of 600m aswell. ideally a method should take the real height into account and multiply it with a factor or function, but my goal was it to have a very simple method of comparing skylines. i thought about doing something with 50m spacing instead as well.
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i thought about doing something with 50m spacing instead as well.
I think if you do 50m spacing, and started at 150m, the list would suddenly be much more informative. Some people would say to start even lower (100m), but my personal preference always stood around the 150m/500' mark.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 08:34 PM   #15
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i think 150m is too low for me, 200m is already quite low i think, when standing in front of a low 200m building you never feel so impressed and from far away they really just support the skyline already. this would boost scores further of cities that do not have an iconic skyline in my opinion, but rather just large city borders. i think starting at 200m is a good idea, also it is nearly impossible to find data for buildings under 200m for many cities, even with 200m it gets rather vague with the U/C buildings.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 11:11 PM   #16
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For comparison, this is a 200-meter list Isaidso created on a thread a while back. I hope you don't mind Isaidso. Anyway, it seems to me, the 200-meter cutoff thins out a skyline quite a bit, where as with the 150-meter mark, you get a nice thick forest.

Corrections:
Tianjin has 20 buildings
Manila has 13 buildings


200 metre club (City - Number of Buildings over 200m - Tallest Roof Height)

01. Hong Kong (74) - 484 m
02. Dubai (63) - 636 m
03. New York (58) - 417 m
04. Shanghai (46) - 487 m
05. Shenzhen (28) - 442 m

06. Guangzhou (27) - 438 m
07. Chicago (26) - 442 m
08. Singapore (25) - 280 m
09. Tokyo (23) - 255 m
10. Panama City (21) - 284 m

11. Chongqing (20) - 339 m
12. Tianjin (20) - 337 m
13. Jakarta (18) - 254 m
14. Abu Dhabi (17) - 381 m
15. Kuala Lumpur (16) - 411 m

16. Dalian (16) - 383 m
17. Doha (16) - 300 m
18. Shenyang (14) - 311 m
19. Houston (14) - 305 m
20. Busan (13) - 301 m

21. Toronto (13) - 298 m
22. Wuhan (13) - 290 m
23. Seoul (13) - 279 m
24. Manila (13) - 250 m
25. Bangkok (12) - 304 m

26. Los Angeles (11) - 310 m
27. Nanjing (10) - 381 m

On the Bubble

28. Moscow (9) - 339 m
29. Atlanta (9) - 285 m
30. Wuxi (8) - 358 m
31. Suzhou (8) - 302 m
32. Goyang (8) - 230 m
33. Mumbai (8) - 222 m
34. Mecca (7) - 558 m
35. Qingdao (7) - 335 m
36. Dallas (7) - 281 m
37. Hangzhou (7) - 258 m
38. Nanchang (7) - 239 m
39. Beijing (6) - 330 m
40. London (6) - 304 m
41. Melbourne (6) - 297 m
42. Manama (6) - 240 m
43. Hefei (6) - 227 m
44. Osaka (5) - 300 m
45. Incheon (5) - 305 m
46. Philadelphia (5) - 297 m
47. Frankfurt (5) - 259 m
48. Nanning (5) - 250 m
49. Sydney (5) - 230 m
50. Xiamen (5) - 218 m

The Rest

4 Buildings: Hanoi-336m, Seattle-285m, Charlotte-265m, Madrid-250m, Hwaseong-249m, Brisbane-249m, Miami-244m, Minneapolis-241m

3 Buildings: Riyadh-311m, Guiyang-290m, Gold Coast-275m, Fuzhou-273m, Cleveland-271m, Macao-261m, Kunming-260m, San Francisco-260m, Nagoya-247m, Calgary-236m, Pattaya-234m, Perth-226m, Mexico City-225m, Sharjah-222m, Denver-218m, Chengdu-206m

2 Buildings: Taipei-448m, Kuwait City-413m, Kaohsiung-348m, Wenzhou-309m, Liuzhou-303m, Dongguan-289m, Changzhou-284m, Zhengzhou-279m, Pittsburgh-256m, Boston- 241m, Bucheon- 238m, Jeddah- 235m, Caracas- 225m, Daegu-225m, Paris-225m, Shijiazhuang-219m, Ulsan-202m, Changsha

1 Building: Pyongyang-330m, Yokohama-297m, Santiago-272m, Saigon-263m, Oklahoma City-259m, Shaoxing-258m, Ningbo-257m, Izumiasano-256m, Indianapolis-253m, Cheonan-250m, Tel Aviv-244m, Jersey City-238m, Istanbul-235m, Penang-232m, Urumqi-230m, Xi'an-228m, Mobile-227m, Las Vegas-224m, Johannesburg-223m, Detroit-222m, Hanamatsu-213m, New Orleans-212m, Nantong-210m, Guadalajara-209m, Austin-208m, Montréal-205m, Tulsa-203m, Cincinnati-201m, Harbin-200m, Kish-200m
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 03:05 AM   #17
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Ironic that among ASEAN countries... Bangkok is last with this pointing system...


While everyone knows it has the most number of buildings in the region.

Oh well...
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Old February 4th, 2014, 06:36 AM   #18
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Very smart idea, so what do we exactly do on here, measure the points by ourselves and post it here or put buildings here then show measurements. Or just list measurements.
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Great list! So the Top 10 in North America:

1. New York #3
2. Chicago #6
3. Panama City #12
4. Houston #18
5. Toronto #19
6. Los Angeles #24
7. Atlanta #29
8. Dallas #42
9. Philadelphia #47
10. Mexico City #52

I think Miami will crack the Top 10 soon though. Otherwise, I think the list is pretty good even if it might not take into account density or quality.
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interesting thread. another point of view to measure a city
especially for the 200 meters club, it will a very dynamic ranking based on going project erected
perhaps in a year, ranking will shifting
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