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Old September 5th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #161
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I have a question, maybe you can share your thoughts... Let´s imagine at this point I want to order "X" amout of 767-300ER PAX verions. do you think Boeing will build those airframes even if it is a small order of "just" 10-15 airplanes?
I wonder this ´cause Boeing is still building the freighter versions anyway. And 767-300 would be a fraction of $$$ compared to a 787-8.
Having ambitions? You know what they say about starting airlines... it's one of the quickest ways to get rid of your money.


But if you go to Boeing they will first ask you why you don't want to buy the 787. Then they will give you a food offer for 2nd hand 767s, you will even be able to lease them directly from Boeing. But if that's also not what you want they will definitely sell you factory new 767-300ER.

On Boeing's website the section dedicated to the 767 is all about the freighter, plus a bit about the tanker project. But they still list the 767-300ER in the overview of the list prices, they even raised the price since last year.

http://www.boeing.com/company/about-bca/ (scroll down to prices)

767-300ER - $ 197.1


for comparison:

787-8 - $ 224.6

(Prices in millions)


The 787-8 isn't that much more expensive, just over 10%. But these are list prices, airlines do get serious discounts, depending on various things including the size of the order. Between the 787 and the 767 this will mean, if you place an order right now, that the difference will be larger in favor of the 767. Plus delivery slots will be available much earlier for the 767 then the 787.

So again to answer your question, yes they will sell you the 767, but they will also offer you all the other options available.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #162
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[QUOTE=Momo1435;126861251]Having ambitions? You know what they say about starting airlines... it's one of the quickest ways to get rid of your money.


hahaha I wish I had those millions.... Cheers thanks for your answer. Both 757/767 are wonderful machines.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #163
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Boeing upping 767 production rate to 2.5 per month in 2017 on freighter demand.
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Boeing Plans Further Boost to 767 Output
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https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...08655440711680
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Old September 10th, 2015, 04:21 PM   #164
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N462KC USAF Boeing KC-46A LN1069 - The first fully militarized version of the KC-46A reached a milestone in it prep for it's first test flight last night. It was taken to the Compass Rose for calibration. Taxi Tests and First flight are rumored within the next 2 weeks.

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N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Taken in the dark with the lights showing very well.

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Old September 11th, 2015, 08:52 AM   #165
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Boeing said that it would lift the production rate to 2.5 a month from two a month starting in the fourth quarter of 2017. 767 orders reaches into the mid-2020s, he said, and will result in a small increase in employees in 2017.

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Old September 11th, 2015, 10:10 AM   #166
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Posting this here for now.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Boeing will have a strong business case when they go ahead with their new "Middle Of the Market" (MOM) airplane which will be a true 757/767 replacement. It's now being referred as the NMA, or new medium-range airplane by Boeing and it could be launched in 2018/2019 with an EIS around 2024.


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Boeing Gets Support for New Midrange Jetliner

Bank of America report sees demand for nearly 2,700 planes

Sept. 10, 2015 6:08 p.m. ET

Boeing Co. could likely find demand for nearly 2,700 planes if it decided to go ahead with producing a new midsize, medium-range jetliner, Bank of America analysts estimate in a new report.

Boeing has said it is considering a new jet that would have 200 to 250 seats and be capable of flying around 4,800 nautical miles. Boeing has said it thinks there is sufficient demand for such an aircraft, which would fit between its single-aisle 737 and long-range 787 Dreamliner. But the company hasn’t given a figure and hasn’t said it would proceed with making one.

Bank of America analysts Ron Epstein and Kristine Liwag said in their report, published Thursday, that they looked into the market dynamics for a new plane in response to investor demand and found “a strong case” for Boeing to go ahead. They estimated that if Boeing did so, it could launch the effort with its first orders around 2018 or 2019 and delivery to airlines around 2024.
full article (google the title for the read full article without the pay wall)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-g...ner-1441922917
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Old September 11th, 2015, 10:33 AM   #167
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That could be a new version of the 787, similar to the abandoned 787-3.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 11:16 AM   #168
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Here's an aircraft I'm getting to see more often at SFO, but not heading to Dallas... instead, this does the short shuttle between San Francisco and Los Angeles.

American Airlines B757-200 (WL), old livery (reg. N192AN)


IMG_3447 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

As for the upcoming NMA, I really, really hope it will be a revamped version of either the 757 or 767, if not an improved variant of the 787. Can this aircraft be called the 797, or will it be derived from the 787 and, as one forumer suggested, be called the 787-3?
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It will be a completely new plane, therefor it will most likely have a new designation.

It will be much smaller then the 787 in all dimensions. If it's going to be a widebody it will be an oval shaped fuselage, even a bit smaller then the 767 fuselage in diameter, with 7 abreast seating. It will also be much shorter then the 787.

If anything it will be a very beefed up 737.
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It will be a completely new plane, therefor it will most likely have a new designation.

It will be much smaller then the 787 in all dimensions. If it's going to be a widebody it will be an oval shaped fuselage, even a bit smaller then the 767 fuselage in diameter, with 7 abreast seating. It will also be much shorter then the 787.

If anything it will be a very beefed up 737.

The MOM frame has been given the go ahead internally from what I was told yesterday. Curious to see the what, when, and where.
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The MOM frame has been given the go ahead internally from what I was told yesterday. Curious to see the what, when, and where.
Could it be a 3x3 configuration with C16Y174 or C22W65Y129 for a two or three class configuration with technology transferred from the 787???

Im thinking a modern 757 with a 787 cockpit and wing technology, and a few other bits of finesse from the 787, maybe some common components between the two to reduce costs and make maintenance easier.

If i was any good with photoshop, id do a mockup of a 757-300 with 787-800 wings and engine and the 787 nose section to give you an idea of what id be thinking. Basically a 757-800MAX or 757-900MAX that can easily take 212 people for the 800 in a two class or 261 for the 900 model. A plane that can do the 4 hour to 8 hour medium haul routes.

Id be thinking that the Boeing model should be like this:

Short Haul: 737MAX (-7/-8/-9)
Short/Medium Haul: 757MAX (-8/-9)
Medium/Long 787 Dreamliner (-8/-9/-10)
Long Haul: 777MAX (-8X/-9X)
Super-Heavy: 747-8i

That I'm sure would give Boeing plenty of room for manoeuvre and plenty of scope in marketing terms to persuade customers to buy aircraft from them and not Airbus. And that is coming from a Airbus fan.
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Indeed, it would be 1st real sign of Muilenburg new direction for Boeing as McNerney was vocally outspoken against any completely new program at Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

It's also going to be interesting to see if this program will go hand in hand with the development of a 737 MAX successor. That will have an effect on how both new programs will develop.
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Personally, i see an own goal from Boeing from the 737MAX and 777X and Dreamliner, with this new 767/757 replacement and that i see is the introduction of a Common Cockpit to what Airbus have. It, i see is where Airbus are possibly having a small advantage in training costs as those are much reduced with the Airbus Common cockpit.

If this new Short/Medium range jet can share some parts with the 737MAX and Dreamliner it would save on maintenance training as well as maintenance costs as well.

In the age of cost cutting, the training and maintenance and downtime that a aircraft has to have is reduced, the more profit is in it. Especially for the charter and low cost operators who love their hot-change operations.

If it was me designing this new jet, id make it wide enough so that each seat could get 1 inch more width and the single aside was wide enough so that a passenger could pass whilst the cabin crew could do their work of serving the rest of the passengers and keep the masquerade up.

It would need to be multipurpose enough for it to be able to cover that anything up to 4,250km range and take 200-250 in good comfort with minimum fuss. Basically save the Dreamliner for the more luxury end of the market. The market id be looking at is the Transatlantic market from Europe to East Coast USA/Canada and the USA Coast to Coast market. Im pretty sure that the European package holiday operators would be interested as well as if it could do a holiday from Scotland to Greece or Norway to Tenerife.

Id say it needs to appeal to both flag carriers and major airline companies and holiday operators as well. Its a major design headache for Boeing to tick all those boxes.
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I am sure this MOM project would be developed in tandem with a 737 replacement with the goal of having as much commonality as possible between these frames.
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Personally, i see an own goal from Boeing from the 737MAX and 777X and Dreamliner, with this new 767/757 replacement and that i see is the introduction of a Common Cockpit to what Airbus have. It, i see is where Airbus are possibly having a small advantage in training costs as those are much reduced with the Airbus Common cockpit.

If this new Short/Medium range jet can share some parts with the 737MAX and Dreamliner it would save on maintenance training as well as maintenance costs as well.

In the age of cost cutting, the training and maintenance and downtime that a aircraft has to have is reduced, the more profit is in it. Especially for the charter and low cost operators who love their hot-change operations.

If it was me designing this new jet, id make it wide enough so that each seat could get 1 inch more width and the single aside was wide enough so that a passenger could pass whilst the cabin crew could do their work of serving the rest of the passengers and keep the masquerade up.

It would need to be multipurpose enough for it to be able to cover that anything up to 4,250km range and take 200-250 in good comfort with minimum fuss. Basically save the Dreamliner for the more luxury end of the market. The market id be looking at is the Transatlantic market from Europe to East Coast USA/Canada and the USA Coast to Coast market. Im pretty sure that the European package holiday operators would be interested as well as if it could do a holiday from Scotland to Greece or Norway to Tenerife.

Id say it needs to appeal to both flag carriers and major airline companies and holiday operators as well. Its a major design headache for Boeing to tick all those boxes.
I Think Your Post about Mocking Up Of 757 with 787 Cockpit would been an interesting request for LION Airlines Indonesia Why?
Because They need Discount of landing fee+Fuel+Parking a half price from the normal fee
Because it came from Transportation minister of indonesia that need to reduce the congestion of airport, so they needs a widebodies to accomodate maximum 350 pax
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I Think Your Post about Mocking Up Of 757 with 787 Cockpit would been an interesting request for LION Airlines Indonesia Why?
Because They need Discount of landing fee+Fuel+Parking a half price from the normal fee
Because it came from Transportation minister of indonesia that need to reduce the congestion of airport, so they needs a widebodies to accomodate maximum 350 pax
Im sure that many carriers who operate through contested hubs that need pax increase would find this interesting. It would be a similar thing if i was to design a Airbus 'A322 Concept" basically a lengthened A321 thats neither a A321 width or a A330 width with a 12 inch wider body. Id attach a A350 type wing with a A350 style nose and the Airbus common cockpit and enough commonality with parts for cost savings.

I think that carriers need a short haul aircraft that can carry 250 people, and its the only gap in the market right now. Until then, carriers will fly 772s from LHR to GLA/EDI and back, and even a 744 to GLA when they have A321s break down. And also for the Asian market, if this sort of aircraft could be used as a sort of 'air bus service' where they take off every hour with 250 people onboard from Shanghai to Beijing and not fly a A380 as i have seen on occasion on FlightRadar24 when looking around the world. If you can get a increase of up to 10% of seat availability without loss of landing slots, carriers would clamour for what id call a 'bridging' aircraft.

The replacement of the 757/767 needs to happen, and if Boeing or Airbus can come up with a short haul that can do this, their order book will run out of space really quickly.
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Some B757s and B767s I've seen lately yet again from San Francisco...

Air Canada B767-300ER (reg. C-FPCA)


IMG_4395 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

Delta Airlines B757-200 (WL) (reg. N699DL)


IMG_3729 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

Delta Airlines B757-300 (reg. N581NW)


IMG_4377 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

Delta Airlines B767-300 (reg. N125DL)


IMG_4405 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

United Airlines B767-300ER (WL) (reg. N673UA)


IMG_3556 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr
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The first militarized KC-46A performed it's first flight today.

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

N462KC Boeing KC-46A (767-200) - C/N 41275 / LN 1069 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Press release from Boeing:

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Boeing, U.S. Air Force KC-46A Tanker Completes Successful First Flight

Flight paves the way to aerial refueling and Milestone C testing







http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-09-...l-First-Flight
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As part of a contract awarded in 2011 to design and develop the U.S. Air Force’s next-generation tanker aircraft, Boeing is building four test aircraft – two are currently configured as 767-2Cs and two KC-46A tankers. The KC-46s will fly as fully equipped tankers through the FAA and military certification process, while the 767-2Cs enter flight test prior to receiving their upgrade to the KC-46A configuration and the addition of their aerial refueling systems.
So as I thought, these 2 767-2C will be reworked after flight test program to full KC-46A military standard
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