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Old February 18th, 2014, 04:13 PM   #21
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Old February 18th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #22
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In Kharkiv (eastern Ukraine) they sign Warsaw instead of Kiev.

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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #23
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In Zurich they usually sign St. Gallen instead of Winterthur (it's probably too close for a control city).
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #24
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Ljubljana used to be signed west of Belgrade, but not Sarajevo:


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Sarajevo is not on the route from Beograd to Ljubljana
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Old February 19th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #26
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Old February 19th, 2014, 08:29 PM   #27
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Sarajevo is not on the route from Beograd to Ljubljana
It is until Ruma. That's why they replaced the sign with this one:


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Old February 19th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #28
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Cologne.They sign Antwerpen instead of Bruxelles



Switzerland A12.They sign Simplon instead of Montreux,Martigny,Sion,Sierre,Brig



Malmedy instead of Schleiden



Donauwörth instead of Ingolstadt

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Old February 19th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #29
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Cologne.They sign Antwerpen instead of Bruxelles
No, Antwerpen goes via the Netherlands here and not via Brussels. Those roads split up east of Aachen.
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Donauwörth instead of Ingolstadt
From the location of this sign, Donauwörth is before Ingolstadt, not behind it. Though I wonder what causes this town, on the intersecting B2, to be signposted from so far out. I can see why Malmédy is signposted on the other German sign. It is a prominent town on a road that will intersect shortly. But signposting a not so prominent town on a road that won't intersect before long seems odd.

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Cologne.They sign Antwerpen instead of Bruxelles.
Different routes, not a smaller town further afield along the same route. The references to Antwerp along the German A4, the Dutch A76 and the Belgian E314 go back to the days of the old E-numbering system when there was one route between Antwerp and Aachen, with a TOTSO at Lummen. While no longer bearing one number, this part of the A4 is still used pretty heavily by trucks heading to the North Sea port of Antwerp, probably much more so than Brussels-bound traffic. I have been told, by the way, that there used to be one sign for Bonn when leaving Brussels on the E40. Nice one for German delegates returning from EU or NATO duty in the days that Bonn was the capital of the FRG. Though no longer existing, it qualifies nicely for this thread.

Anyway, most of the focal points referred in this thread are either the result of (i) the large city being too close to serve as control city or (ii) the use of signposting principles where the terminus of a road is used rather than intermittant points. Names of mountain passes signposted in Switzerland and elsewhere are the result of the strategic/narrow-pass function of those passes in national and international corridors and therefore would not count in my view.

I'm a bit fascinated though by the choice to signpost Salzburg in Graz, which is neither on a road leasing out of Graz (not even an historical route number), nor on a road that is used by an overwhelming majority of users on a route that leads out of Graz. But that's Austria to you...
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Old February 19th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #31
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Antwerp(en) and Brussels are pretty much equally distanced from Cologne/Köln, if you go via NL. I know that Brussels is signed via Ličge (which is a bit longer than via NL, and thus also a bit farther than Antwerpen), but that one is already signed. However, I'd sign Brussels as well.
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I'm a bit fascinated though by the choice to signpost Salzburg in Graz, which is neither on a road leasing out of Graz (not even an historical route number), nor on a road that is used by an overwhelming majority of users on a route that leads out of Graz. But that's Austria to you...
I was surprised as well, but I think it makes more sense than at the first glance. I guess the main destination from Graz northbound is Germany (especially for Balkan workers who prefer driving via Graz instead of Ljubljana, because it's cheaper). Linz lies slightly too northerly, more like direction CZ. And Wels is a tad too small.
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I wouldn't regard Linz as direction CZ only, as it also forms the access to the A3 and thus the most direct route into North-Western Europe and Scandinavia. I appreciate that A3-bound traffic will not actually pass Linz as you travel North, but I consider it close enough to serve as control city. But I'm pretty sure that the Austrians followed your reasoning, considered Linz out of the main direction and thus picked Salzburg as the first major town in the direction of Germany.

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Antwerp(en) and Brussels are pretty much equally distanced from Cologne/Köln, if you go via NL. I know that Brussels is signed via Ličge (which is a bit longer than via NL, and thus also a bit farther than Antwerpen), but that one is already signed. However, I'd sign Brussels as well.
The route to Brussels via The Netherlands was only completed in the late 1980s, the Lummen - Leuven leg was completed well after the route Aachen - Lummen and Ličge - Lummen - Antwerpen. The focal points on the Dutch A76 and around Aachen had already been picked by then and it was clearly not considered required to change when the new route to Brussels became available. Per German signposting tradition, Antwerpen was the obvious focal point beyond Aachen on the A4. First larger towns on the other side of the border. Except in the border area itself, you'll rarely find a second foreign focal point per direction.

For the A44/E40, Ličge was probably given the nod over Brussels as it is the first major city on the Belgian side of the border. Again, that's in line with general German principles and on top of that Brussels is not signposted once one crosses into Belgium. Still, I agree with you that adding Brussels would not hurt.
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I wouldn't regard Linz as direction CZ only, as it also forms the access to the A3 and thus the most direct route into North-Western Europe and Scandinavia. I appreciate that A3-bound traffic will not actually pass Linz as you travel North, but I consider it close enough to serve as control city. But I'm pretty sure that the Austrians followed your reasoning, considered Linz out of the main direction and thus picked Salzburg as the first major town in the direction of Germany.
Then again, if they sign "Wien (H)" in Graz, they could also sign "Linz (D)". After all, if you want to sign Germany, you sign Germany, not Salzburg. There is no sign for Graz in Salzburg either, plus, Linz is much shorter to write.
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Augustów (31k inhabitants) instead of closer Ostrołęka (54k inhabitants and significant administrative unit) or Łomża (63k and also a significant administrative unit)

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Only a border village and a city in a neighboring country. There are at least 5 Polish cities with over 100k inhabitants on the way... but you won't find them on such signage.
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Here (Cologne,Autobahnkreuz Köln West) and on the A61 route they always sign Venlo but not Mönchengladbach



Signing Emden instead of Lingen or Nordhorn



Signed Simplon (325 inhabitants) instead of every village that lies between this point and simplon



Remich instead of Grevenmacher

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This thread can go on forever with photos of signs referring to road termini around relatively small towns, and then for another zillion of years with signs referring to bridges, tunnels and mountain passes that of course do not have any inhabitants. Double dip opportunities for narrow-passes that double as the name of a small village...

So who posts a nice example of a larger town left out in favour of something that is not a road terminus or a narrow-pass?
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I believe signage leaving Buffalo (New York state) on I-90/the New York State Thruway eastbound gives Albany as the control city. Albany's on the other side of the state, and it's the state capital (and an Interstate junction) but 90/the Thruway passes through the suburbs of the larger cities of Rochester and Syracuse en route.

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Old February 20th, 2014, 12:57 AM   #39
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Augustów (31k inhabitants) instead of closer Ostrołęka (54k inhabitants and significant administrative unit) or Łomża (63k and also a significant administrative unit)
I suppose Augustów is signed for traffic going to Lithuania, so you don't have to search for a control city every 100 km or so.

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Only a border village and a city in a neighboring country. There are at least 5 Polish cities with over 100k inhabitants on the way... but you won't find them on such signage.
That is extreme even for Polish standards. They should at least sign Gliwice in my opinion.
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Signed Simplon (325 inhabitants) instead of every village that lies between this point and simplon

Simplon refers mostly to the pass\border crossing (like Brennero, Tarvisio, Ventimiglia,...) rather to the small village itself. Everybody bound to Italy know he must follow Simplon, maybe not everybody would know, for example, Brig, a larger town before the pass.
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