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Old February 20th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #41
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In Munich they sign Lindau instead of Memmingen:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11791870

You may now think "meh, another boring example", but when I first drove from Ljubljana to Bern through Austria and Germany (I usually drove through Italy), I was searching for Memmingen and had never heard of Lindau, so I ended up on a wrong motorway.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 08:12 AM   #42
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It's a pretty annoying thing if you are looking for a road and it is not signposted by the focal point that you would have expected. Consistent signposting practices help there, along with route numbers, particularly if signposted at a relatively early stage.

People living in the area or otherwise familiar with the situation know the focal points selected and are somehow familiar with the rationale. Brennero on the A22 was already mentioned here, and Italians will consider it a logical thing since they know the route as the motorway to the Brenner. Ditto for the small village of Gravellona Toce on the A26 (somehow surprising that it was not mentioned yet). North Italians will contend that this makes perfect sense because they know that road as Genova Voltri - Gravellona Toce. The choice for Lindau probably also fits in here. The tricky thing of course is that the less familiar motorists are in the area, the less they will be familiar with this local perceived knowledge. Yet it is these people that are more reliant on signposting than all those people with a degree of local knowledge. One has to strike a balance there ...
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Old February 20th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #43
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I suppose Augustów is signed for traffic going to Lithuania, so you don't have to search for a control city every 100 km or so.
Maybe, but route 61 is not the fastest nor even the shortest route between Warszawa and Augustów (and Lithuania).

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That is extreme even for Polish standards. They should at least sign Gliwice in my opinion.
What's even more stupid with signage on this motorway:
Here http://goo.gl/maps/6gLMP the signage suggests to go to Katowice this way instead of this
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Old February 20th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #44
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Signed Simplon (325 inhabitants) instead of every village that lies between this point and simplon
Gotthard is signposted from Basel-Landschaft, though I'm not sure it has any inhabitants at all (or is the name of any habitable location, for that matter). Reasons are obvious and already mentioned in the thread.

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So who posts a nice example of a larger town left out in favour of something that is not a road terminus or a narrow-pass?
Haparanda, population about 5000, signposted in Sundsvall, 647 km away:

https://maps.google.fi/?ll=62.389611...,19.18,,0,3.68

Luleå (pop. 47000) and Umeå (80000) ignored. Note that Haparanda is not the terminus of E4, Tornio is.

Similarily, Sundsvall (51000) is signposted in Haparanda, with Umeå again ignored.

From the other direction, Sundsvall is also signposted in Stockholm, instead of Gävle (71000).
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Old February 20th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #45
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Haparanda remains the town that marks the border crossing. It may not be the terminus of the E-route, it was clearly selected by virtue of the town being the last town in Sweden on the E4. The choice remains an interesting one nonetheless. The E4 in Sweden is signposted on the basis of not only its termini (in Sweden) Helsingborg and Haparanda, but some large intermittant towns. It is a question in itself why Sundsvall was chosen and not Norrköping or Umeå. Maybe the reason is that the selection of Haparanda, Sundsvall, Stockholm and Helsingborg leaves comparable distances between the control cities of the E4.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 05:41 PM   #46
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In Munich they sign Lindau instead of Memmingen
PS: the already mentioned Lendava in Slovenia is also called "Lindau" in (old) German.


Haparanda is a Polish example, except that Poles usually sign larger cities as well. It's useful mostly for Swedes, but not so much for foreigners.
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Interesting solution - so cargo is directed through the ring road, a route 25 km longer than private cars. Are there any plans to complete the ring in the southwestern part of the city? And are there often times when these electronic signs show otherwise?

Back to the topic: Narvik (population 14000) signposted in Trondheim, 902 km away (with one ferry crossing required), ignoring Mo i Rana (18000), 477 km away:

https://maps.google.fi/?ll=63.397518...=12,34.04,,0,0
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Old February 20th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #48
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We learned about Narvik already in primary school. Later I also learned about Narva in Estonia (which is actually larger).

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Old February 20th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #49
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Haparanda remains the town that marks the border crossing. It may not be the terminus of the E-route, it was clearly selected by virtue of the town being the last town in Sweden on the E4. The choice remains an interesting one nonetheless. The E4 in Sweden is signposted on the basis of not only its termini (in Sweden) Helsingborg and Haparanda, but some large intermittant towns. It is a question in itself why Sundsvall was chosen and not Norrköping or Umeå. Maybe the reason is that the selection of Haparanda, Sundsvall, Stockholm and Helsingborg leaves comparable distances between the control cities of the E4.
The signing on the E4 is unique in the sense that it is split up into parts. In southern Sweden Helsingborg and Stockholm act as control cities and are signed along with the nearest major city and a local destination. North of Stockholm the control cities become Sundsvall and Stockholm. North of Sundsvall, it's Haparanda and Sundsvall. The reason for this is that there are very few that travel the entire E4 and thus splitting the signed cities into three parts of roughly equivalent distance makes it much more useful for most the traffic that acutally travels on the E4 in those parts.
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The reason for this is that there are very few that travel the entire E4
But then it should be the other way around - signing larger, closer towns instead of Haparanda (which is a perfect sign destination for someone driving all the way there (if they've heard of it)).


Back to Lindau (sorry): I would actually sign "Bodensee" (Lake Constance), despite not being a town (like Hungarians sign the Balaton).

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Old February 20th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #51
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We learned about Narvik already in primary school. Later I also learned about Narva in Estonia (which is actually larger).
Narvik it's relatively well-known for a battle during of WWII, when Norway was occupied by Germans.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #52
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But then it should be the other way around - signing larger, closer towns instead of Haparanda (which is a perfect sign destination for someone driving all the way there (if they've heard of it)).
They do on distance signs. A distance sign on the E4 typically look like
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|          E4          |
|CONTROL CITY       456|
|NEXT MAJOR CITY    123|
|LOCAL DESTINATION   21|
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where the control city is Stockholm, Sundsvall or Haparanda going north and Sundsvall, Stockholm or Helsingborg going south.

On signs leading to the E4, the control city is commonly used if a destination is given. Signing "E4 S" is essentially the same as signing "E4 Helsingborg".
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In and before you reach Cologne on the A3 they always only sign Oberhausen instead of Düsseldorf or Duisburg
On the A559 only Königswinter is signed but not Bonn

Champlon instead of Bertrix,Libramont-Chevigny or St.Hubert



Stavelot instead of Vielsalm



Basel instead of Mannheim or Karlsruhe



Diekirch instead of Mersch or Ettelbruck

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Old February 21st, 2014, 12:13 AM   #54
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By Bosiljevo in Croatia they sign Pula (they could sign Vrbovsko or Delnice instead), but not Ljubljana:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/59399721

I know it's not the best example, but if you go to Ljubljana via Črnomelj (or only to Črnomelj), you drive towards Zagreb/Karlovac only for another 3 km, so they aren't very representative.
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Old February 21st, 2014, 08:28 AM   #55
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In and before you reach Cologne on the A3 they always only sign Oberhausen instead of Düsseldorf or Duisburg
Düsseldorf is very much under-signposted for a town of its size. You will find it on distance signs and even before Cologne, but the smaller town Oberhausen is signposted much more prominently. This is thanks to Oberhausen's pivotal role in the motorway network.

In a broader sense, the signposting to and within the Rhein-Ruhr area on any motorway seems to be based on the same principles: (1) heading into the region, they will signpost the town where you will enter it, (2) within the region, the control city will be the town where you will leave it, (3) other towns merely go on distance signs. Categories (1) and (2) are populated by Köln, Oberhausen, Dortmund and to a lesser degree Duisburg. Düsseldorf sits too much in between and lacks major motorway intersections to be signposted.
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Old February 21st, 2014, 02:55 PM   #56
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Düsseldorf is the state capital, but the most important motorways bypass it at a greater distance. A3 is well east of Düsseldorf and does not have exits directly to the city, while A57 passes through Neuss. At the same time, A44 and A52 are incomplete and A46 has only a regional importance.

Düsseldorf is a well-accessible city though, there are a number of four-lane bridges, a tunnel and other urban arterials, I'd say Düsseldorf has better road infrastructure than any Dutch city.
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The same thing you have with the town of Olpe which is signed on almost every motorway that reaches Cologne while the town of Gummersbach which is at least double as big as Olpe is signed only when you already reach the Autobahnkreuz Köln Ost.I hope the A4 will someday reach Siegen so they can sign a town whos name is well known because even in Germany nobody realy knows where Olpe lies
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Old February 21st, 2014, 03:31 PM   #58
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In Romania the main border crossing towns are signed all over the country.

Examples:
  • Calafat, a small town at the border with Bulgaria, is signed all the way from Timisoara (~ 320 km away)
  • Bors, a small village at the border with Hungary is signed all over Transylvania area (and I think also on main road 1 near Bucharest)
  • Giurgiu, a border town with Bulgaria is signed even in Arad (almost 600 km away from it)
  • Most of the signs on DN7 and A1 from Bucharest have Nădlac (a small border crossing town near the border with Hungary)

Here's a picture of Nădlac, been signed on A1 near Pitesti (500 km away):

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Old February 21st, 2014, 05:06 PM   #59
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That also happens in Poland and elsewhere, but more importantly, they don't only sign Nădlac, but Rm. Vâlcea as well.
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This sign in Sofia shows a small town of Kulata (850 inh.) on the Bulgarian-Greek border and completely ignores Blagoevgrad (70,000 inh.) and even Pernik (80,000 inh.) and Kyustendil (45,000 inh.) in direction of the Rep. of Macedonia.
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