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Old March 18th, 2014, 04:18 AM   #21
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But those kind of gas stations are the ones on the actual road, there are probably many within 1 km of the road... like on typical US Interstate, no gas station on the road but on the exit almost always one... (of course, on a toll road, this is not convenient)

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Type "polskie drogi" in Google Images and you will get a image what a typical Pole thinks about Polish roads.
If you talk to a typical Pole about road infrastructure, they will also say that:
If people say it is bad when it is good, it is okay, keep government feet to the fire, but if they said it was good, when in reality it is bad, then there is a problem!
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Old March 18th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #22
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If you talk to a typical Pole about road infrastructure, they will also say that:
- there are almost no motorways in Poland
- we build the most expensive motorways and they have bad quality, and "Germans have better"
- when a new motorway somehow gets opened it will soon be closed for maintenance
Tell them that a new road is going to be built, they will reply:
"Yeah, in 20 years maybe."

Journalists know about this attitude, so they don't usually write optimistic articles about road infrastructure, because that would be against most of the readers' outlook. And if there is an optimistic article, it gets tons of comments about "government propaganda" etc.
I missed this one and now I'm laughing. Somehow word "Pole" could be substituted with "Latvian" and you'd get the same result.
* - the most expensive roads;
* - poor quality;
* - bridges will collapse;
* - who needs THAT project?;
etc.

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Someone: Why do new roads collapse in 5 years?
Me: Do they?
S: Yes they certainly do!
M: And which road is that?
S: Well...hm... there is one!
M: Which one?
S: I don't know but there is one at least.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 05:54 PM   #23
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Ask anyone in my family and they will all say we have the worst motorway network in the world. Apparently they haven't noticed they can go on motorway in 4 directions, which continue for hundreds of kms.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #24
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Then it seems to be the common mentality of pepole from former communist states
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Old March 18th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #25
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It seems so...
OK, lets talk more about the topic
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Old March 18th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #26
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To answer your question:

Yes, recommended distances given. On primary and secondary roads rest areas should be situated every 20-50km. Parking lots should be situated every 10-70km (vague, I know). No recommended distances are given for service/petrol stations.

But, these are just guidelines for new road projects which means they don't apply to existing roads. Since most of our road network is from the Soviet era, it's obvious that often these requirements aren't met.

Petrol stations are always built by private companies. They often double as service stations/cafes so the situation isn't THAT bad, actually. But then again, considering our low traffic volumes, there's no point in having a huge service station every 30km.
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Old March 19th, 2014, 02:25 AM   #27
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Ask anyone in my family and they will all say we have the worst motorway network in the world. Apparently they haven't noticed they can go on motorway in 4 directions, which continue for hundreds of kms.
It makes sense if they often travel towards Rijeka or Pula!
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They don't!
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Old March 19th, 2014, 09:39 AM   #29
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To answer your question:

Yes, recommended distances given. On primary and secondary roads rest areas should be situated every 20-50km. Parking lots should be situated every 10-70km (vague, I know). No recommended distances are given for service/petrol stations.

But, these are just guidelines for new road projects which means they don't apply to existing roads. Since most of our road network is from the Soviet era, it's obvious that often these requirements aren't met.

Petrol stations are always built by private companies. They often double as service stations/cafes so the situation isn't THAT bad, actually. But then again, considering our low traffic volumes, there's no point in having a huge service station every 30km.
Thanks!
Well, we are neighbours and have a similar situation and that's why your information is really useful!
Yeah, our little AADT volumes make a lot of decisions instead of us...
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 09:40 AM   #30
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One of very few (?) remaining petrol stations in the Innercity of Stockholm. It's just a question of time before they close this one too.
Meaning that innercity motorists must fill up their tanks in the suburbs.
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