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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #2881
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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #2882
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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #2883
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:36 PM   #2884
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I am in Moscow right now. I don't think I have ever seen anywhere as depressive as Moscow. Russia has been the biggest disappointment between all the other countries I have ever been to. The cluster is actually so small that I barely noticed it. I am not writing this to bash on Russia or Moscow. I am just letting people know that Moscow is not as it appears in pictures. Be aware! DO NOT GRAB A CAB AT THE AIRPORT!!! Stick with the well known international brands such as Hilton, McDonald's, Four Seasons, KFC, Burger King etc. Otherwise, you are going to pay 50 dollars for a cup of coffee, 150 dollars for a ride from the airport to the city center. No one speaks English. NO ONE. Not the police, not the receptionist, not the stock exchange cashier. You can not explain yourself. They scream in Russian to your face and literally rob you.

Avoid Russia all together if you can. Trust me, Moscow is so much better to see in pictures.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #2885
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I am in Moscow right now. I don't think I have ever seen anywhere as depressive as Moscow. Russia has been the biggest disappointment between all the other countries I have ever been to. The cluster is actually so small that I barely noticed it. I am not writing this to bash on Russia or Moscow. I am just letting people know that Moscow is not as it appears in pictures. Be aware! DO NOT GRAB A CAB AT THE AIRPORT!!! Stick with the well known international brands such as Hilton, McDonald's, Four Seasons, KFC, Burger King etc. Otherwise, you are going to pay 50 dollars for a cup of coffee, 150 dollars for a ride from the airport to the city center. No one speaks English. NO ONE. Not the police, not the receptionist, not the stock exchange cashier. You can not explain yourself. They scream in Russian to your face and literally rob you.

Avoid Russia all together if you can. Trust me, Moscow is so much better to see in pictures.
Thanks for the advise buddy. I'm having a class trip to St.Petersburg in 3 weeks, my teacher already warned us that Russia is still a little... backward. But it's a experience after all.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 02:23 AM   #2886
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Old August 18th, 2014, 06:30 AM   #2887
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Why do you put yourself in order to find anything bad in Russia? If you wish, I can find a bunch of bad moments in Istanbul, but do not want to, I just do not want to pay attention to such things, do not spoil your mood due to the smallest detail.
* Russia actually a developing country, it lags behind the developed European countries in some things. Too rough and harsh, yes, there is a problem with the prices, but the fact that all you rob, this is nonsense. Now in the center of the tourist police introduced, whose staff speak English and will be able to help in a difficult situation ...
It is true, the cluster is very small against the backdrop of a giant city. True, Moscow is one of the most expensive cities to live in the world. Prices in Moscow stand out among other Russian cities. Only in what Moscow depressing? Young family walking along the waterfront, young people hanging out in the park, riding on skateboards and bicycles, now in Moscow during the interesting events and exhibitions. Beautiful 19th-century building, monumental in its own way interesting buildings of the Stalin period ... And yes, the young people in Moscow are mostly speak English, do not ask the older people (who are 45 years and more, as in most post-Soviet countries ). They lived in the Soviet Union and were taught in German youth, they do not care in English now.

Try not to pay attention to the prices, they really unrealistically high for the rest of Russia, look at the people who go to the Gorky Park, visit the exhibition Moscow Jam on Manezh Square ... Again, I am offended by how much nerve it takes to fend off the negative comments.

Well, this is your opinion, in any case, I respect him. There are problems, they must be solved. Apfelsaft incorrigible russophobe as usual ... He was silent for so long, and when the conversation comes up about Russia, he immediately began to write about how it is bad.

P.S Poles as usual, put likes to negative posts about Russia ... And never appreciate our photos. Continue in the same spirit, brothers. It's too bad that the number of such people is becoming more and more. I said everything I wanted, adios amigos.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 08:54 AM   #2888
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I am in Moscow right now. I don't think I have ever seen anywhere as depressive as Moscow. Russia has been the biggest disappointment between all the other countries I have ever been to. The cluster is actually so small that I barely noticed it. I am not writing this to bash on Russia or Moscow. I am just letting people know that Moscow is not as it appears in pictures. Be aware! DO NOT GRAB A CAB AT THE AIRPORT!!! Stick with the well known international brands such as Hilton, McDonald's, Four Seasons, KFC, Burger King etc. Otherwise, you are going to pay 50 dollars for a cup of coffee, 150 dollars for a ride from the airport to the city center. No one speaks English. NO ONE. Not the police, not the receptionist, not the stock exchange cashier. You can not explain yourself. They scream in Russian to your face and literally rob you.

Avoid Russia all together if you can. Trust me, Moscow is so much better to see in pictures.
Yeah, Putin photoshoped the cluster, there is no any skyscrapers.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 09:00 AM   #2889
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Thanks for the advise buddy. I'm having a class trip to St.Petersburg in 3 weeks, my teacher already warned us that Russia is still a little... backward. But it's a experience after all.
Yes, they eat yer feeble Western souls for breakfast in Russia, doncha know?

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Old August 18th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #2890
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Oslo looks fine, not much of the tall, but really nice designs.

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P.S Poles as usual, put likes to negative posts about Russia ... And never appreciate our photos. Continue in the same spirit, brothers. It's too bad that the number of such people is becoming more and more. I said everything I wanted, adios amigos.
Yeah it's Poland's fault as always. Btw I suppose @rychlik is from Canada and @applesaft from Germany, but you know that better.
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Turks, it's 100 years. Time to get over yer butthurt, eh?
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:00 PM   #2892
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This is not a thread about how bad Moscow. This is a thread on the best European Skyline and that would not swear, let's stop the discussion of Moscow. I know that no one in the West do not like it. In order to avoid conflicts, just be quiet and get profiled thread there and write about Moscow
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:47 PM   #2893
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I am in Moscow right now. I don't think I have ever seen anywhere as depressive as Moscow. Russia has been the biggest disappointment between all the other countries I have ever been to. The cluster is actually so small that I barely noticed it. I am not writing this to bash on Russia or Moscow. I am just letting people know that Moscow is not as it appears in pictures. Be aware! DO NOT GRAB A CAB AT THE AIRPORT!!! Stick with the well known international brands such as Hilton, McDonald's, Four Seasons, KFC, Burger King etc. Otherwise, you are going to pay 50 dollars for a cup of coffee, 150 dollars for a ride from the airport to the city center. No one speaks English. NO ONE. Not the police, not the receptionist, not the stock exchange cashier. You can not explain yourself. They scream in Russian to your face and literally rob you.

Avoid Russia all together if you can. Trust me, Moscow is so much better to see in pictures.
Hi doguorsi2

Wow, I guess you needed to blow some steam of, when you wrote those words I usually always find your words thought-through and well spoken, but in this case I think, you came of to strong and angry. If a guy from Moscow wrote the same offensive words about Istanbul, im sure you would be the first to set him straight

We don't need any bashing of countries or cities in this thread...we don't...so let's all just act mature and keep posting positive words and photos it is very easy to offend people (whether one mean to or not) in the internet, but it's very hard making everyone come together and stay friendly and positive...however I think we should choose the hard way and not argue and insult each other...(and yes, we all know, what the difference is between constructive discussions with sound arguments and city/country bashing)

Remember we are all European brothers and sisters and should not fight among ourselves

Lets all get along and remember not to write in anger
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Old August 18th, 2014, 02:11 PM   #2894
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The cluster is actually so small that I barely noticed it...... Trust me, Moscow is so much better to see in pictures.
Moscow had ZERO modern skyscrapers a decade ago so calling the cluster small is ridiculous.

It'll grow in time. Maybe. If it doesn't at least the CBD looks complete.

Maybe it's like Dubai. The buildings seem very close because they are so tall. ..

10 of the 14 future tallest in Europe are in this cluster.

Very ambitious and certainly one serious backbone for further expansion.

I think the feeling of getting ripped off clouded your judgement (and I think we've all been there if not in Moscow then elsewhere)
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Moscow had ZERO modern skyscrapers a decade ago so calling the cluster small is ridiculous.

It'll grow in time. Maybe. If it doesn't at least the CBD looks complete.

Maybe it's like Dubai. The buildings seem very close because they are so tall. ..

10 of the 14 future tallest in Europe are in this cluster.

Very ambitious and certainly one serious backbone for further expansion.

I think the feeling of getting ripped off clouded your judgement (and I think we've all been there if not in Moscow then elsewhere)
I think he wasn't referring to the height of those skyscrapers but the size of the area in which are skyscraper...
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Wow okay guys. You all know that I am a pretty decent guy when it comes to civil conversations regarding countries, cities and cultures. It was just a travel advice for foreigners. As I mentioned, I didn't mean to bash on Moscow or anything. I am sorry if it sounded harsh or insulting in any way.

Some of those Russian skyscrapers are built by Turkish construction companies and they are beautiful. However, the cluster is so small and in the middle of nowhere. It seems a bit odd to place beautiful buildings very close to each other, far far away from the city. The size of the Moscow CBD is so small that it appears insignificant to the rest of the city. I am not saying anything about the buildings but the CBD project as a whole.

Everyone has a different taste in terms of urban planning, architecture, life style and culture. Moscow didn't satisfy me but it might satisfy you. However, again, be aware. They will rob you and you don't want that!

PS. I hope to see Oslo more often. It is not tall but very classy and that great architecture can be implemented on taller buildings.
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Well I wonder why is that... Maybe stop invading countries around you and we will talk differently then.

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However, the cluster is so small and in the middle of nowhere. It seems a bit odd to place beautiful buildings very close to each other, far far away from the city. The size of the Moscow CBD is so small that it appears insignificant to the rest of the city. I am not saying anything about the buildings but the CBD project as a whole.
This is typical for most of the European cities, where modern skyscrapers only begin to rise. You can see that in Milan, Vienna, Barcelona, Paris. It's because those cities are protecting It's historic centers. It's good for old buildings but usually not so good for new skyscraper districts - large distances between those and city centers, no housing, no gastronomy and shops (only offices) and the fact that they are sorrounded by highways tends to make those districts lifeless and unattractive. This is why cities with mixed use centre like Boston, NYC, Philly, Warsaw, Frankfurt, ec have advantage. American cities ususally don't give a sh**t about XIX-century buildings so they can be replaced with new skycrapers. Warsaw and Frankfurt were lucky (and unlucky, it depends how you see that..) because of destruction during WW2 - they had already space for new highrise development.
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Wow okay guys. You all know that I am a pretty decent guy when it comes to civil conversations regarding countries, cities and cultures. It was just a travel advice for foreigners. As I mentioned, I didn't mean to bash on Moscow or anything. I am sorry if it sounded harsh or insulting in any way.

Some of those Russian skyscrapers are built by Turkish construction companies and they are beautiful. However, the cluster is so small and in the middle of nowhere. It seems a bit odd to place beautiful buildings very close to each other, far far away from the city. The size of the Moscow CBD is so small that it appears insignificant to the rest of the city. I am not saying anything about the buildings but the CBD project as a whole.

Everyone has a different taste in terms of urban planning, architecture, life style and culture. Moscow didn't satisfy me but it might satisfy you. However, again, be aware. They will rob you and you don't want that!

PS. I hope to see Oslo more often. It is not tall but very classy and that great architecture can be implemented on taller buildings.
I look forward to when you calm down. I was in Istanbul in 2010, and I know perfectly well what city beautiful Moscow or Istanbul. Unfortunately, even a tenth of the beauty of Moscow you do not have. But you continue to compare the incomparable, and even in their favor. But I know that you have the right to speak their thoughts. Do this in a more appropriate forum threads. Or are you specifically trying to quarrel people?
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I look forward to when you calm down. I was in Istanbul in 2010, and I know perfectly well what city beautiful Moscow or Istanbul. Unfortunately, even a tenth of the beauty of Moscow you do not have. But you continue to compare the incomparable, and even in their favor. But I know that you have the right to speak their thoughts. Do this in a more appropriate forum threads. Or are you specifically trying to quarrel people?
I really don't understand your English but I am calm. I apologize. I didn't mean to offend our Russian friends here in this forum. I just really didn't have a good travel experience in Russia and wanted to share my honest thoughts with Russian and other European friends in this thread.
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