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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #5281
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And this what mean? Quantity doesn't mean quality.

Maybe you don't know an important fact: in our cities was not permitted to build so-tallest buildings because there were some strict urban planning rules.

In Milan, no one could build a tower more tall than our Cathedral (108 m). Only Pirelli Tower (1958) reached an height of 127m, but its construction was an exception: it was the symbol of the economic boom in our city.

Another example I can give you about Milan: during the 50s, Piaggio company (Vespa scooters) wanted to build a great tower (200m), but it was never approved by Milan City Council, and for this reason the tower was reduced to 82m.

The same happened in Rome: "to no one building is permitted to be more tall than the Dome of St. Peter's Basilica" (138m).

Only in recent times, these rules have been rejected. You have to know history of architecture before to judge.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:19 PM   #5282
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I'm sorry but Milan is like a big village with a few high-rise buildings.
I'm sorry, but residential highrise blocks sticked randomly into land doesn't make a city.
Kiev:



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What makes a city is dense, urban core and Milan is much better at this:

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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:28 PM   #5283
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Old bad pics of Kyiv vs new picture of Milan
You are a wonderful troll.

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I study the history of architecture for 20 years.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just stating the bare facts.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #5284
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Well, I'm bit a surprised.

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Density in Milan +7,400/sqkm
Density in Kiev +3,300/sqkm

source:wikipedia

and here some aerial pics...





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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #5285
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Density in Milan +7,400/sqkm
Density in Kiev +3,300/sqkm
Kyiv area includes dozens of lifeless islands on the Dnieper and hundreds of acres of pristine forest in the city.

...talking about high-rise buildings
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:44 PM   #5286
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Old bad pics of Kyiv vs new picture of Milan
You are a wonderful troll.

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I study the history of architecture for 20 years.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just stating the bare facts.
The only troll here is you, trigerring this city vs city talk. Typical new user that didn't learn the hard way.
I just picked photos from google, didn't look at dates.
Reality is unfortunatley harsh for Kiev, even tho I like Ukraine. Just face the truth.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:47 PM   #5287
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Kyiv area includes dozens of lifeless islands on the Dnieper and hundreds of acres of pristine forest in the city.
lol even in Milan there are dozens of urban parks

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BTW please users, post pics from all over europe.

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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #5288
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Kiev is the best in the whole world! Nothing compares to Kiev!

@ Kaenugardur: You chose a completely disproportionate opponent to troll against. How could you even think of comparing Kiev to Milano..

Now please calm down your ego and stop this City VS City that you have started.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:07 PM   #5289
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even in Milan there are dozens of urban parks

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Kyiv area includes dozens of lifeless islands on the Dnieper and hundreds of acres of pristine forest in the city.

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~70% of the territory of Kyiv consists of nature reserves.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #5290
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What funny Italians. Seriously believe that their 3 skyscrapers in the center, along with 5 high-rise buildings to create the better skyline than 1 skyscraper and 40 high-rises?
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:37 PM   #5291
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I'm sorry but Milan is like a big village with a few high-rise buildings.
This is comedy gold. Milan big village... This is one of biggest, richest and most influential cities in Western Europe. It's urban area has over 5 million residents with very high population density(as for urban area). Compare urban area of Milan and urban area of Kiev and their densities. Milan doesn't have highrises popped out of nowhere all over city because this city actually has decent history, and very important historical landmarks which needs to be preserved. Kiev mostly contains of commieblocks.

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Seriously believe that their 3 skyscrapers in the center, along with 5 high-rise buildings to create the better skyline than 1 skyscraper and 40 high-rises?
Kiev doesn't have any skyline at all. And it's highrises are really bad quality compared to Milan. All city has very poor quality compared to Milan.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:55 PM   #5292
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Kyiv is one of the oldest cities of Eastern Europe and played a pivotal role in the development of the medieval East Slavic civilization as well as in the modern Ukrainian nation. Kyiv (in the Middle Ages) was the capital of Rus, the largest state in Europe. The Kyiv Pechersk Lavra (Monastery of the Caves) was founded in the mid-11th century, is one of the most famous and important monasteries in the history of the Europe. It is the largest Christian monastery in the world.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:04 PM   #5293
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What funny Italians. Seriously believe that their 3 skyscrapers in the center, along with 5 high-rise buildings to create the better skyline than 1 skyscraper and 40 high-rises?
If you really like the skyline of Kiev more than the one of Milan I think that your taste in architecture and design is opinable.
You should learn from Italians about these topics instead of criticize them. Thanks to people with taste like yours Milan will be always easily one of the world capitals of design. Just comparing Kiev to Milan is funny.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:17 PM   #5294
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Kiev looks like Hybrid of Moscow and Ekaterinburg
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #5295
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Incredible nonsense.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:42 PM   #5296
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I don't think that these high-rise buildings look ugly.

101 Tower, 114 m

http://fotki.yandex.ua

PecherSky & IQ Business Center, 105 m

by Lev Shevchenko

H-Tower, 100 m

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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #5297
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KŠnugar­ur, you are entirely entitled to your opinion. However, comparing two cities as vastly different as Milan and Kiev is wrong. There is nothing to compare, in my humble opinion. I think you'll find that most people in this thread will agree with the fact that Milan is the more developed city of the two. Kiev is not bad, and it's getting there, but you can't come here and pass your opinion as fact. Unnecessary amounts of drama is being caused, and it is bothering the users who come here to see friendly discussion and pictures of European skylines. Please fight this battle somewhere else, if you insist.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:56 PM   #5298
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I do not like to compare different cities. I didn't start the flame war.
BTW, I really like your country.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 03:17 PM   #5299
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If you really like the skyline of Kiev more than the one of Milan I think that your taste in architecture and design is opinable.
You should learn from Italians about these topics instead of criticize them. Thanks to people with taste like yours Milan will be always easily one of the world capitals of design. Just comparing Kiev to Milan is funny.
Quality of skyscrapers in Moscow IBC is much higher than in any city in Europe (except London can), that does not prevent some people say that there is 5, 6, 7, 8 skyline in Europe. I'm not saying that in Milan worse high rise buildings. They are really better then in Kiev. I'm just saying that they are in Milan, 10, and 40 in Kiev. Skyline Milan overrated to me. Rotterdam same.
Fair list top 15:
1) Moscow
2) Paris
3) Istambul
4) London
5) Frankfurt
6) Warsaw
7) Benidorm
8) Ekaterinburg
9) Kiev
10) Milan
11) Rotterdam
12) Baku
13) Barselona
14) Madrid
15) Viena
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Quality of skyscrapers in Moscow IBC is much higher than in any city in Europe (except London can), that does not prevent some people say that there is 5, 6, 7, 8 skyline in Europe. I'm not saying that in Milan worse high rise buildings. They are really better then in Kiev. I'm just saying that they are in Milan, 10, and 40 in Kiev. Skyline Milan overrated to me. Rotterdam same.
Fair list top 15:
1) Moscow
2) Paris
3) Istambul
4) London
5) Frankfurt
6) Warsaw
7) Benidorm
8) Ekaterinburg
9) Kiev
10) Milan
11) Rotterdam
12) Baku
13) Barselona
14) Madrid
15) Viena
I like eastern Europe (my wife is half Russian and so my daughter is partially Russian too) but it seems that tastes are different there...... however no problem for me.
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