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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:56 PM   #5341
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Of course, because your organization give out prizes all Western European countries, buyout makes less than 1% of skyscrapers in the world. You seriously believe that Europe is better in the world of skyscrapers? Okay, I'm tired of arguing with you. Objectively, you then no skyscrapers that here compare. In Moscow, almost as many as 200+ throughout Western Europe and many more like them. I think you should continue to be glad that you are building a couple of 150+ skyscrapers and continue to believe that you really the best skyscraper in 2012. Well, I'm going to watch our thread about double towers 288m and the second cluster of skyscrapers in Moscow. I think in 2050 you will also be like that. Although hardly ...
You can't always hide behind the "Western Europe" or "The West" argument.

I think that some of the towers in Moscow are lovely. I made that list for effect. Moscow is not the centre of European Skyscraper Design. It does have a very impressive skyline - certainly one of the best in Europe and the world. However, it's hard for someone like me to let someone like you bulldoze over other forumers opinions and feelings - especially when they are so bias and pro-Russian.


You my friend are a little naive.

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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:57 PM   #5342
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This tread accounts for about 90% of beef in the skyscrapercity forums.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to divide this discussion so that on the one hand western europeans and on the other hand russians, ukranians and the like have their own section?

Let the russians boast with their commie blocks and handful skyscraper on their own time.
Even our bunch of skyscrapers - the largest number of skyscrapers in Europe. We live in commiblocks (not I, but many Russian). And you live mostly in cardboard 1-2 storey buildings (of course not all, but many of our people live in good modern or historic homes, non commiblocks), which is every Russian family outside the city in nature and called Datcha. I think you should reconsider the value.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:58 PM   #5343
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I hate skyscrapercity. Here, you have thread with word DISCUSS in subject but still for people here perfect thread is when everyone just spam photos of their cities and occasionally comment like "oh great!". No place for REAL discussion, no place for criticism. Thanks but I'm out. I'm going to place where discussing is not crime against humanity.
I agree, but there are discussions and discussions. this is a city vs city.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:59 PM   #5344
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New York City still has so many skyscrapers >300 that it will take 100 years for Moscow to compete...
Funniest thing about whole this Russian and Eastern European circlejerk is that they don't have great historical architecture centres like Rome, Paris, Florence, Milan, London etc neither really impressive skyscrapers compared to real big guys there. They are building supertalls to compensate their cities full of horrible commieblocks but they don't even do it properly.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #5345
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Funniest thing about whole this Russian and Eastern European circlejerk is that they don't have great historical architecture centres like Rome, Paris, Florence, Milan, London etc neither really impressive skyscrapers compared to real big guys there. They are building supertalls to compensate their cities full of horrible commieblocks but they don't even do it properly.
What a stupid. Visit the city of St. Petersburg. See what a lot of historic architecture. In Moscow, it is also very much. The entire area within the Garden Ring - historical buildings.We are not going to be compared with the United States and China. The most important thing that we have there are historical buildings and skyscrapers.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #5346
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:06 PM   #5347
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What a stupid. Visit the city of St. Petersburg. See what a lot of historic architecture. In Moscow, it is also very much. The entire area within the Garden Ring - historical buildings.
I've been to St. Petersburg. Even the "old" part of the town is decayed. And St. Petersburg still consists of 90% commie blocks. And thats just one city in russia with some attemps of different architecture.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:13 PM   #5348
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I've been to St. Petersburg. Even the "old" part of the town is decayed. And St. Petersburg still consists of 90% commie blocks. And thats just one city in russia with some attemps of different architecture.
How long have you been in St. Petersburg? Now the city is put in order. 90% commiblock a lie. This does not exist anywhere in Russia. We certainly have more of the city. Yaroslavl - its center - Unesco heritage. Rostov Velikiy. Kazan. Come and see.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:19 PM   #5349
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Funniest thing about whole this Russian and Eastern European circlejerk is that they don't have great historical architecture centres like Rome, Paris, Florence, Milan, London etc neither really impressive skyscrapers compared to real big guys there. They are building supertalls to compensate their cities full of horrible commieblocks but they don't even do it properly.
I think that it would be better for eastern countries to spend their money differently, I see no sense in biulding shining skyscrapers when their cities are full of commieblocks and asbsestos roofs.. and outside the big cities it is even worst.

At the same time I think that you are wrong about historical centers because also in eastern Europe there are very good ones.
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lovely picture of Paris. Different angle from the usual shots. I like it!
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #5351
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At the same time I think that you are wrong about historical centers because also in eastern Europe there are very good ones.
Yes, this is very true.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #5352
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especially when they are so bias and pro-Russian.


You my friend are a little naive.

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And you do not biased and naive giving here is a list of skyscrapers?
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Okay sure!

- The Gherkin, London
- The Leadenhall Building, London
- The Shard, London
- First Tower, Paris
- Torre Caja, Madrid
- Torre de Cristal, Madrid
- Unicredit Tower, Milan
- DC Towers, Vienna
- Turning Torso, Malmo
- Tour D2, Paris
- The Beetham Tower, Manchester
- Tour Carpe Diem, Paris
- The {new} ECB HQ, Frankfurt


I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the idea...
The main thing people support, although fool is clear that most of them can not be compared with the 3 best Moscow skyscrapers. Only a couple of them is a high-quality examples of architecture that can be compared. But you're saying that they're all better. This is the limit of naivety and prejudice.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #5353
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And you do not biased and naive giving here is a list of skyscrapers?

The main thing people support, although fool is clear that most of them can not be compared with the 3 best Moscow skyscrapers. Only a couple of them is a high-quality examples of architecture that can be compared. But you're saying that they're all better. This is the limit of naivety and prejudice.
You're insisting that these 3 Moscow skyscrapers are the best in design and you call me naive?

My list included many beautiful skyscrapers from all over Europe. I could have literally have gone on and on with the list.

I wasn't saying that they were all definitely better... but I know that many people - professionally or enthusiastically - would say so depending on their opinion.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #5354
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Funniest thing about whole this Russian and Eastern European circlejerk is that they don't have great historical architecture centres like Rome, Paris, Florence, Milan, London etc neither really impressive skyscrapers compared to real big guys there. They are building supertalls to compensate their cities full of horrible commieblocks but they don't even do it properly.
Well, actually London in terms of historical architecture is propably worse than Moscow and for sure than St Petersburg. But It would be better if Nazies didn't bomb it.
And St Petersburg was built in sole purpose of resembling European cities.

So in general, I agree, especially with that last part. But well, this is just different mentality and way thinking about cities and urbanism - much worse, that is for sure. Unfortunately almost all Asian cities look like that right now and for now Russia is much more influenced by that specific way of development than it is by European.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #5356
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You forgot SkyTower in Wrocław.
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There are by my count exactly 90 skyscrapers in Western Europe. This includes (Spain, France, Monaco, Italy, Germany, Sweden, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland)

Of these, 25 buildings are 200m high.


The major part (156 skyscraper) is located in the countries Russia, Turkey,
Poland, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.


44 of these are 200m high.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 08:53 PM   #5359
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Well, actually London in terms of historical architecture is propably worse than Moscow and for sure than St Petersburg.
Please do explain how you managed to get this opinion?
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Old March 9th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #5360
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But then guess what, your 288m towers look tiny and lonely... Building a 300m tower today is not an impressive achievement.
If Moscow towers look tiny what we can say about the rest of Europe? Microscopic?

Some Europeans has unimaginable complexes, they are ready to pour Moscow by shit just because it doesn't want to build small gray boxes.
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