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Old March 9th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #5361
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Please do explain how you managed to get this opinion?
Yeah... Maybe I'm biased and prejudiced but for me in Russia nothing comes close to House of Parliament, Tower Bridge and St. Paul Cathedral. Orthodox architecture is all about kitsch.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #5362
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If Moscow towers look tiny what we can say about the rest of Europe? Microscopic?

Some Europeans has unimaginable complexes, they are ready to pour Moscow by shit just because it doesn't want to build small gray boxes.
The rest of Europe is not participating to the contest for who's got the tallest tower. It's you who come here bragging about the size, something that we don't care about at all. Then obviously if you want to brag so much about size. it's normal to make you notice that your skyline is nothing so special in terms of size.

People don't come to Europe for skyscrapers anyway, no-one comes here from USA or China or dubai to see skyscrapers.. They come for the churches and historic heritage and this is what we preserve by avoiding building hundreds of oversized boxes. Rather we build a few skyscrapers with an internationally appreciated design that do integrated nicely in history-rich cities.. So this is probably the reason we have such discordant opinions on skyscrapers.

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Old March 9th, 2015, 09:56 PM   #5363
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The rest of Europe is not participating to the contest for who's got the tallest tower. It's you who come here bragging about the size, something that we don't care about at all. Then obviously if you want to brag so much about size. it's normal to make you notice that your skyline is nothing so special in terms of size.
Sorry, but isn't it yours?

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But then guess what, your 288m towers look tiny and lonely... Building a 300m tower today is not an impressive achievement
Don't care about size, he said.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #5364
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Sorry, but isn't it yours?



Don't care about size, he said.
Ok.. you seem not to understand, mine was a reply, to someone who was bragging about size:

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Well, I'm going to watch our thread about double towers 288m and the second cluster of skyscrapers in Moscow. I think in 2050 you will also be like that. Although hardly ...
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Western Europe will never even participate in this contest. We have highly historical buildings and we top up with a few high quality skyscrapers that will not desrupt the context
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Yes in Europe we won´t have dozens of supertalls, nor this is something that European people look forward to. We look forward to nice design and good integration with the pre-existing historical buildings.
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If you want to compare for the number of skyscrapers and the height, you should compete with UAE, China and NYC. But then guess what, your 288m towers look tiny and lonely...
So don´t take my words out of context... It's pretty clear that I mean, that IF SIZE IS SO IMPORTANT TO YOU, then maybe you shouldn´t come here and brag about it with Europeans who don´t give a **** about it. Go and brag about your size with forumers from China or Dubai, and see how they laugh at you.

To finish, Many European scrapers have better design and quality than most Russian towers and Arabian and Chinese have bigger size, so Russian scrapers are really nothing so impressive to justify your arrogant attitude..

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Old March 9th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #5365
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Orthodox architecture is all about kitsch.
You live in a world of stereotypes.

Here is an example of 'Orthodox architecture':
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.09...MG_2278_SM.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...8_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...6_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...4_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...1_original.jpg
&
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...v_by_Vart8.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...v_by_Vart6.jpg

'Orthodox' palace in Kyiv: http://cs405826.userapi.com/v4058265...pjhTl6LY48.jpg

BTW, Kyiv is one of the capitals of Art Nouveau in Europe.
'Orthodox' Art Nouveau in Kyiv:
http://cs411418.userapi.com/v4114185...St6dLZJuWw.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_fecb7e59.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_a1007891.jpg
http://cs11497.userapi.com/u7759541/...z_4449969d.jpg
http://cs308123.userapi.com/v3081235...iy_Oo_Rw4E.jpg
http://cs4418.vkontakte.ru/u7759541/...z_1e59b95c.jpg
http://cs308122.userapi.com/v3081225...bhFPOgzJB8.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_f64f1a18.jpg
http://cs9239.vkontakte.ru/u7759541/...z_d4399c3d.jpg
http://cs308122.userapi.com/v3081225...yY35h7QmMY.jpg

Orthodox kitsch. I think that it looks awful.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #5366
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You live in a world of stereotypes.

Here is an example of 'Orthodox architecture':
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.09...MG_2278_SM.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...8_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...6_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...4_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tov_t...1_original.jpg
&
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...v_by_Vart8.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...v_by_Vart6.jpg

'Orthodox' palace in Kyiv: http://cs405826.userapi.com/v4058265...pjhTl6LY48.jpg

BTW, Kyiv is one of the capitals of Art Nouveau in Europe.
'Orthodox' Art Nouveau in Kyiv:
http://cs411418.userapi.com/v4114185...St6dLZJuWw.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_fecb7e59.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_a1007891.jpg
http://cs11497.userapi.com/u7759541/...z_4449969d.jpg
http://cs308123.userapi.com/v3081235...iy_Oo_Rw4E.jpg
http://cs4418.vkontakte.ru/u7759541/...z_1e59b95c.jpg
http://cs308122.userapi.com/v3081225...bhFPOgzJB8.jpg
http://cs11497.vkontakte.ru/u7759541...z_f64f1a18.jpg
http://cs9239.vkontakte.ru/u7759541/...z_d4399c3d.jpg
http://cs308122.userapi.com/v3081225...yY35h7QmMY.jpg

Orthodox kitsch. I think that it looks awful.
Mate, nobody says Kiev is an ugly city, we know it has a very beautiful historic centre; but at the moment Kiev's skyline even if it's dense hasn't got quality. I know there are some nice skyscrapers but they don't form a cluster...
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:01 AM   #5367
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Please do explain how you managed to get this opinion?
I also was wondering about this?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:10 AM   #5368
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I don't knot why some discuss about quality of the skyscrapers in Moscow. For me they have all very high quality. And if someone is talking about the design, it' always a question of different opinions. Someone like them, someone not. I also don't like all, but I also don't like towers in London or Rotterdam.

By the way I know many don't like the Mercury City Tower. I didn't also first, but now I love this tower and specially the golden/orange cladding. It's just a question of different opinions. I most like a comment of someone here, who wrote: " this tower is so gangster " I've nothing to add to this.

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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #5369
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #5370
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I personally don't like cladding and glass on all but few towers in Moscow. It's truly cheap and nasty, to be honest. It can destroy any good design.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #5371
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Like we were posting out of topic... This is what "DISCUSS" means for you? Only showing photos of cities? I don't know about you but I grew up in Western values and freedom of speech is one of them. If there is something I don't like I should have right to say it especially in thread dedicated to "DISCUSSION".
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Old March 10th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #5372
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Like we were posting out of topic... This is what "DISCUSS" means for you? Only showing photos of cities? I don't know about you but I grew up in Western values and freedom of speech is one of them. If there is something I don't like I should have right to say it especially in thread dedicated to "DISCUSSION".
oh man, just calm down please, he just posted some new photos
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Old March 10th, 2015, 03:27 AM   #5373
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my new top ten


1. London... just the biggest city in Europe with the most diversity and quality

2. Paris ... Could easily be my number one ! Gorgeous and beautiful !

3. Istanbul... Massive.. historic.. beautiful.. . relevent.. .. happening

4. Frankfurt... Uber American skyline on the rhine .. ok main .. manchester is bigger than frankfurt lol .. but it's Germany's financial centre

5. Moscow .. .. Commie grey architecure explodes all around Moscow but the island of supertalls puts it at no 5

6. Warsaw... yep it really does look impressive ! And Happening ! It would be higher but for lack of quality and diversity

7. Rotterdam ... Ubiquitous on these pages !! .. But ... Until another city challenges , Rotterdam is def top ten ... just too boring and straight

8. Madrid... it's getting tricky now .. but Madrid is a capital city ooooozing history and it's skyline is starting to happen imo


9. Birmingham ... yep ! Why not ? Big city with a nice skyline .. absolutley ignored on these pages ..

10. Vienna ... Again another big city totally ignored on these pages ..
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Old March 10th, 2015, 03:47 AM   #5374
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I personally think there is a lot more to it than just the skyscrapers themselves, it's how they sit in the wider context of the city. On pictures of Paris for example, it doesn't have the supertall height but it has an unquestionable beauty and elegance combined with the old city that makes me think 'wow, I'd love to live there', similarly London is slightly more rugged but it has towers woven into an urban density with contrasting styles and a megacity feel that make it look superb. Frankfurt has an awesome skyline in a more classic north american style. Moscow, I think has some individually amazing towers, City of Capitals, for example, are probably in my top 3 skyscrapers in Europe but it is lacking in the urban context of the others. They are not surrounded by density like The City or La Defence and the wider landscape of the city is not particularly appealing, it doesn't feel like the cluster has grown organically based on an economic demand. I feel kind of the same for Rotterdam (lack of beautiful urban context) but that gets my credit for being so impressive for what is realistically a tier 3 European city. Milan is getting there but is still not at at the top table, when I was there a few months ago on the ground, I didn't even see the towers. Liverpool in my eyes is a dark horse, it has a real elegance and balance when viewed from across the river.

Anyway just my two cents, here is my top 10

1. Paris
2. London
3. Frankfurt
4. Moscow
5. Istanbul
6. Warsaw
7. Rotterdam
8. Milan
9. Liverpool
10. The Hague
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Old March 10th, 2015, 08:41 AM   #5376
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Cool video with some great shots of the Polish capital. My favs are from the Royal Park. It's a real "Phoenix" city, there was nothing but rubble in 1945.

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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:24 AM   #5377
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Scary...

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Moscow's half-empty $12 billion financial district looks worse than you imagined

Moscow's financial district, with its $12 billion worth of skyscrapers, was meant to be a gleaming beacon for Russia's post-Soviet market economy.

But now with Russia's economy in free-fall, the Moscow City complex property values have nosedived, construction sites are abandoned, and vacancy rates have soared to 45%, according to real estate consultants Blackwood.

Moscow-based photographer Konstantin Salomatin visited the area for Business Insider on a recent weekday to see how bad it really is.
Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/moscow...#ixzz3TxeybFaU
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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:26 AM   #5378
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Milan's Porta Nuova detail

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Interesting article indeed... Especially the photos
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ROTTERDAM

Rotterdam by Marco Raaphorst, on Flickr
Skyline, Rotterdam by marcvanderstelt, on Flickr
AIDAmar & NEXUS , HDR by kees torn, on Flickr
Rotterdam 2014 by partkomjati, on Flickr
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