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Old August 25th, 2015, 08:45 AM   #6961
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Moscow
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Istanbul

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Everybody else.


The huge difference in construction of towers between the big three (moscow/london/istanbul, and the rest of europe, has basically divided europe into two distinct groups, with the gap between the two groups getting bigger and bigger every day.

Soon we may need to split the forum in two to reflect the reality that they are clearly now on different levels and the gap is increasing at an ever rapid pace.

Top tier cities (london/moscow/Istanbul) who can compete it out with each other, should be in forum (group A) and a secondary skyline forum (group B ) should be created for the rest of Europe's skylines, so that they can compete with others on their same level
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Old August 25th, 2015, 08:59 AM   #6962
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:22 AM   #6963
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TOP GROUP
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London
Istanbul

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Everybody else.


The huge difference in construction of towers between the big three (moscow/london/istanbul, and the rest of europe, has basically divided europe into two distinct groups, with the gap between the two groups getting bigger and bigger every day.

Soon we may need to split the forum in two to reflect the reality that they are clearly now on different levels and the gap is increasing at an ever rapid pace.

Top tier cities (london/moscow/Istanbul) who can compete it out with each other, should be in forum (group A) and a secondary skyline forum (group B ) should be created for the rest of Europe's skylines, so that they can compete with others on their same level
I absolutey don't agree. Frankfurt is still the best in my opinion. I prefer skylines that give me a good "feeling" of the city. Istanbul has may towers but really I can't say "what a nice skyline". It's like when you cook a good food, it's not important to have many ingredients or in big quantity, but it is important that the ingredients are good and well mixed.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 10:42 AM   #6964
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Istanbul s skyline shows a capitalist energy and economic expansion that euro zone countries lost a long time ago.
Istanbul isn't building skyscrapers in an organised way, its not a vanity project to impress outsiders, they are being built because, like in london, there is genuine need for them, right across the city, that makes them more impressive skylines and more genuine.
The fact that they create great skylines, without intentionally doing so, but just through raw economic forces is what makes them so impressive.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 11:02 AM   #6965
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Istanbul s skyline shows a capitalist energy and economic expansion that euro zone countries lost a long time ago.
Istanbul isn't building skyscrapers in an organised way, its not a vanity project to impress outsiders, they are being built because, like in london, there is genuine need for them, right across the city, that makes them more impressive skylines and more genuine.
The fact that they create great skylines, without intentionally doing so, but just through raw economic forces is what makes them so impressive.
Correct! They are building them randomly over the city and without any feeling for their surrounding area. From a distance it looks as if all buildings are build in a row. There is no depth in the skyline. That's why I prefer Frankfurt or Paris above any other skylines such as Istanbul, Moscow or even London.
Only Canary Wharf can compete with Frankfurt or Paris in the near Future.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 11:03 AM   #6966
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ROTTERDAM

Skyline | Rotterdam by MarkJongen photography, on Flickr
Erasmusbug at Night by MarkJongen photography, on Flickr
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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:39 PM   #6967
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Frankfurt Gotham Style
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Old August 25th, 2015, 03:39 PM   #6968
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I can't belive how London's skyline is overrated here. I mean it is growing rapidly, faster than any European city (maybe apart from Istanbul, which for me is more Asian than European), but from some angles it looks even worse than Warsaw's.

It will be great, but not yet.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 03:45 PM   #6969
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I mean London is growing rapidly, faster than any European city
Moscow is growing rapidly then London
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Old August 25th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #6970
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Correct! They are building them randomly over the city and without any feeling for their surrounding area. From a distance it looks as if all buildings are build in a row. There is no depth in the skyline. That's why I prefer Frankfurt or Paris above any other skylines such as Istanbul, Moscow or even London.

Only Canary Wharf can compete with Frankfurt or Paris in the near Future.

Moscow's towers are built randomly all over the city? Lol
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:11 PM   #6971
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Moscow's towers are built randomly all over the city? Lol
Clean your glasses! I wrote Istanbul's buildings are build randomly! Moscow got a great skyscraper cluster but that doesn't make it a better skyline than F'furt or Paris.
I prefer skylines which are evoluted. 6 out of 10 skylines which are created/build in short time mostly miss some essential things to be top-notch.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:26 PM   #6972
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Clean your glasses! I wrote Istanbul's buildings are build randomly! Moscow got a great skyscraper cluster but that doesn't make it a better skyline than F'furt or Paris.
I prefer skylines which are evoluted. 6 out of 10 skylines which are created/build in short time mostly miss some essential things to be top-notch.
1)Moscow outside MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt.
2)MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt
Moscow has best European Skyline.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:30 PM   #6973
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Modern an Old. 800 years separate the towers of notre dame and the new skycrapers


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Old August 25th, 2015, 06:15 PM   #6974
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1)Moscow outside MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt.
2)MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt
Moscow has best European Skyline.
This is your opinion and I respect it. In MY opinion, Moscow is not even in the top 3. Maybe simply we have different tastes. It has a concentrated cluster of very tall skyscrapers, but they are something different from the rest of the city and you know it very well. About most of skyscrapers outside the main cluster.. better you don't mention most of them..
But please lets try to respect each other opinion, I see that Eastern people have usually different tastes from western ones; even if I can't agree with them I try to respect, they are different cultures.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 06:48 PM   #6975
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1)Moscow outside MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt.
2)MIBC has more skyscrapers then Paris or Frankfurt
Moscow has best European Skyline.
The first is correct.

The second is wrong. MIBC has only taller skyscrapers, but not more.

Complete and topped out (150m+)
Paris = 17
Frankfurt = 14
MIBC = 14
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Old August 25th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #6976
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Russians are removing Colgate from the shelves these days because Russian toothpaste is so much better.

Don't expect them to view skylines any different.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #6977
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This is your opinion and I respect it.
numerical superiority is not my opinion. It's a fact.
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In MY opinion, Moscow is not even in the top 3. Maybe simply we have different tastes.
I think is not the case.
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It has a concentrated cluster of very tall skyscrapers, but they are something different from the rest of the city and you know it very well. About most of skyscrapers outside the main cluster..
Skyscrapers in Paris and Frankfurt are also in one place. In other areas of the building are much lower
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And I think we can remember.
{I'll post photos Moscow skyscrapers later}
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But please lets try to respect each other opinion, I see that Eastern people have usually different tastes from western ones; even if I can't agree with them I try to respect, they are different cultures.
You're exaggerating the difference between the Russian and the French / German / English culture. In Russia, the western culture. Eastern - China, Japan or Korea. This can be seen in architecture and in many other ways.
Sorry Google translate.
PS Moscow not only MIBC
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Old August 25th, 2015, 07:59 PM   #6978
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numerical superiority is not my opinion. It's a fact.
..And it doesn't make Moscow skyline better than others.

About cultural differecnies, well, my wife and my daughter are partially Russian so I know Russians very well. Belive me, there is a very big difference, and it is clear in the buildings you like, the clothes you wear, the cars you drive...and the skylines you prefer
I am not saying west is better than east, you are better in many things, just we probabily like different things.

Going back to the topic, some European cities such as Frankfurt and London, (but also Warsaw, Milan, Rotterdam and some others) give me the idea that highrises and skyscrapers are growing "naturally" during the development of the city and they are organic with the rest of it. With Moscow I don't have the same feeling, it is like Moscow has a big cluster of skyscraper on its own but the city is another thing.
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Exactly, I have written that here some time ago.


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What? Speak english.

And no, Moscow's skyline just got more or less completed (at least for some time). 50% vacancy rate, negative GDP growth last quarter (-4,6%) in Russia will bury investment plans.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 08:30 PM   #6980
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Exactly, I have written that here some time ago.

What? Speak english.

And no, Moscow's skyline just got more or less completed (at least for some time). 50% vacancy rate, negative GDP growth last quarter (-4,6%) in Russia will bury investment plans.
I will not talk to you because you're lying all the time. About 50% vacancy rate, about stopping the development of Moscow. I see demeaning argue with liars.
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