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Old August 25th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #6981
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..And it doesn't make Moscow skyline better than others.
I just would not want to see the word opinion with regard to the facts.

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About cultural differecnies, well, my wife and my daughter are partially Russian so I know Russians very well. Belive me, there is a very big difference, and it is clear in the buildings you like, the clothes you wear, the cars you drive...and the skylines you prefer
I did not say that we are no different. But we are not the east. We are west. People from the East do not sit on this forum. They sit on their forums. In international forums, there are people from the West. Russian as well. Girls in Russia dress very nicely. Always. Even when they go grocery shopping. Cars in Russia are a little different. Most buy SUVs. But not more than the United States. Not only in Russia believe the best skyline in Moscow.

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I am not saying west is better than east, you are better in many things, just we probabily like different things.
Then, please, vote in the next elections for the people that will not teach us how to live. That will not make us be gay. We do not beat and do not offend. More nothing you should not be interested. Simply we can say anything. You could say that I hate gays. We can say that hate homophobia. Once you understand the difference, do not disturb us. But it is not the differences between east and west. Indeed, in many countries of the East to kill for what you're gay. We have no such things.
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Going back to the topic, some European cities such as Frankfurt and London, (but also Warsaw, Milan, Rotterdam and some others) give me the idea that highrises and skyscrapers are growing "naturally" during the development of the city and they are organic with the rest of it. With Moscow I don't have the same feeling, it is like Moscow has a big cluster of skyscraper on its own but the city is another thing.
Moscow outside MIBC has more skyscrapers then any EU city. About naturalness do not tell. It's a lie. I do not like liars.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #6982
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I will not talk to you because you're lying all the time. About 50% vacancy rate, about stopping the development of Moscow. I see demeaning argue with liars.
Hard to face real data, isn't it... Not surpised.

Asked you to prove us, that what we write are lies, and you didn't show anything

Anyways, Russian economy is crumbling and that will be defining point no matter what the vacancy is.


BTW, London has tonnes of tower U/C and planned, I would like to see planned and approved proposals for Moscow.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:13 PM   #6983
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #6984
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Hard to face real data, isn't it... Not surpised.

Asked you to prove us, that what we write are lies, and you didn't show anything

Anyways, economy is crumbling and that will be defining point no matter what the vacancy is.
You keep lying. "real data" You did not give evidence.. He said that 50% believed that it was true. Just a liar. Give me your link from the official sources for this figure. Not the media. From official sources.
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BTW, London has tonnes of tower U/C and planned, I would like to see planned and approved proposals for Moscow.
Well a lot of that in London is planned. But in Moscow more.
I'm ready to compare the points.
1) T / O (8)
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #6985
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I just would not want to see the word opinion with regard to the facts.


I did not say that we are no different. But we are not the east. We are west. People from the East do not sit on this forum. They sit on their forums. In international forums, there are people from the West. Russian as well. Girls in Russia dress very nicely. Always. Even when they go grocery shopping. Cars in Russia are a little different. Most buy SUVs. But not more than the United States. Not only in Russia believe the best skyline in Moscow.


Then, please, vote in the next elections for the people that will not teach us how to live. That will not make us be gay. We do not beat and do not offend. More nothing you should not be interested. Simply we can say anything. You could say that I hate gays. We can say that hate homophobia. Once you understand the difference, do not disturb us. But it is not the differences between east and west. Indeed, in many countries of the East to kill for what you're gay. We have no such things.

Moscow outside MIBC has more skyscrapers then any EU city. About naturalness do not tell. It's a lie. I do not like liars.
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It's very hard to talk with you. Stay with your opinion and be happy with that.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #6986
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Hard to face real data, isn't it... Not surpised.

Asked you to prove us, that what we write are lies, and you didn't show anything
Despite the fact, that I don't totally agree with Blackhavvk, I can also say, that you're lying or I don't know what is wrong with you. It was told a thousand times and you still don't get it.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:28 PM   #6987
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You keep lying. "real data" You did not give evidence.. He said that 50% believed that it was true. Just a liar. Give me your link from the official sources for this figure. Not the media. From official sources.
Media data is from official sources, you just can't accept that... Wander why... Propably because It's 'gay western media'
I gave you data, you still didn't give any counter data or argument, nothing. You just keep repeating 'lies lies lies' like someone who's got mental issues.

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Despite the fact, that I don't totally agree with Blackhavvk, I can also say, that you're lying or I don't know what is wrong with you. It was told a thousand times and you still don't get it.
Another one. Only accusations, no counterdata. This is just pathetic. Prove me wrong or be quiet.

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Well a lot of that in London is planned. But in Moscow more.
I'm ready to compare the points.
1) T / O (8)
2) U / C (6)
3) Prep (6)
4) Prop (~10)
Could you show us those investments?
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #6988
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It's very hard to talk with you. Stay with your opinion and be happy with that.
What do you think your opinion is often simply a lie. If your opinion that people of African monkey is it does not mean that I will respect your opinion, because it is a lie(just an example, I am not saying that you rassist). Similarly here. I respect your opinion, that Moscow is not the best skyline. But I do not respect your opinion that in Moscow there is only a dense cluster, because it is a lie.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #6989
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Moscow is growing rapidly then London
Current number of towers u/c above 100 m is greater in London than in Moscow.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:35 PM   #6990
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Media data is from official sources, you just can;t accept that, because your mind is washed up by propaganda.
I gave you data, you still didn't give any counter data or argument, nothing. You just keep repeating 'lies lies lies' like someone who's got mental issues.
Another one. Only accusations, no counterdata. This is just pathetic. Prove me wrong or be quiet.
However, you also have not offered any one source of information. MIBC has no general vacancy count as towers have different owners. However, I am waiting for news from the media. But only that which is the source of the information. I live in a country where propaganda is really a lot, and I know that the news mozho believe only if there is a source. I want to see how do you know chtov MIBC 50% vacant.

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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #6991
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However, you also have not offered any one source of information. MIBC has no general vacancy count as towers have different owners. However, I am waiting for news from the media. But only that which is the source of the information. I live in a country where propaganda is really a lot, and I know that the news mozho believe only if there is a source. I want to see how do you know chtov MIBC 50% vacant.
If you can't prove me wrong, they we've got to operate on facts that we have for our disposition. You can't tell me I lie if you can't prove me wrong. That's it, end of discussion. If you find something - we will go back to that.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #6992
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I understand your feelings when you read Blackhawk's comments: sometimes it's difficult to understand what he is trying to bring to our minds (shitty Google Translate )... But he is just a real, in some cases "blind" type of patriot, he doesn't want to hear any word about shortcomings of Moscow in comparison to other European cities. The best guardian of Mother Russia! Okay, that's a joke.

So, here's my objective (I think so) opinion:
1. Moscow really has a great number of 150+ meters tall buildings, but they are spread all across the city, sometimes I just wonder: where?! where all of these highrises, I can only see MIBC and Seven Sisters! But Moscow is actually very huge city, you can find 150+ buildings even on the purlieuses of it. And Blackhavvk is right about huge number of u/c and prep. buildings in Moscow, but actually I think that Istanbul has greater potential.

2. I absolutely agree with Countach point of view: Russians are half Asian by their thinking, habits, tastes, etc. It's a very interesting mix of cultures, you can see that in every almost aspect of our life..

3. If you'll try to collect all 150+ buildings of Moscow in one place, you will get a real Manhattan, honestly.

4. CBD is really not so empty as some business media talks about... As I told you many times, MIBC is mostly U/C now, it will be finished in about 2020-2022.

In fact, I'm tired of writing, so I'll just be watching the dialogue of comrade Blackhavvk from the sidelines ^_^

I wrote these text using Google Translate only in 15% of cases!!!1

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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #6993
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #6994
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Moscow
T/O - 8 skyscrapers
1,2) Oko 352+245
3) Federation 373
4,5) Mirax 193+168
6) Evolution 241
7,8) Tricolor 192+192

U/C - 6 towers
1) Oruzheiniy 165 only spire to Go
2,3) 17-18 plot 337+289
4) 15 plot 285
5) Crocus tower 1 217m
6) 1st tower Savelovskiy city 156m
Prep - 6 towers
1,2)2 and 3 tower Savelovskiy city 156+156
3,4,5)Presnya city 2x156
6) Welton park 11 150
Prop (Probably not all will be built)
1) 1 plot MIBC 300-400 m
2) 20 plot Mibc 180-250 m
3) 2 Crocus ~160m
4) 3 Crocus ~180 m
5) Alkon 3 153m
6,7,8)Silver towers 3x182m
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Old August 25th, 2015, 09:54 PM   #6995
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1. Agreed, but for example London or Istanbul have similar problems. London has 2 or 3 clusters, and that makes this skyline underwhelming. Istanbul has huge amount of towers evenly spread out on big area. It looks better and better, but they rather create some kind of mass, not typical skyline.
Moscow has this one fake-ish cluster with huge towers cluttered on small spot, and the rest of towers just isn't a part of this skyline. Moscow may be one of the leaders in number of 100+ towers in Europe, but it doesn't really matter in this thread when they are not part of cities skyline.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #6996
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Another one. Only accusations, no counterdata. This is just pathetic. Prove me wrong or be quiet.
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4. CBD is really not so empty as some business media talks about... As I told you many times, MIBC is mostly U/C now, it will be finished in about 2020-2022.
ekko said it already.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 10:37 PM   #6997
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Moscow
T/O - 8 skyscrapers
1,2) Oko 352+245
3) Federation 373
4,5) Mirax 193+168
6) Evolution 241
7,8) Tricolor 192+192

U/C - 6 towers
1) Oruzheiniy 165 only spire to Go
2,3) 17-18 plot 337+289
4) 15 plot 285
5) Crocus tower 1 217m
6) 1st tower Savelovskiy city 156m
Prep - 6 towers
1,2)2 and 3 tower Savelovskiy city 156+156
3,4,5)Presnya city 2x156
6) Welton park 11 150
Prop (Probably not all will be built)
1) 1 plot MIBC 300-400 m
2) 20 plot Mibc 180-250 m
3) 2 Crocus ~160m
4) 3 Crocus ~180 m
5) Alkon 3 153m
6,7,8)Silver towers 3x182m
+ any following projects
Aren't Mirax Plaza on hold?
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Yep, it's on hold right now.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:03 AM   #6999
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Aren't Mirax Plaza on hold?
T/O and On hold.
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