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Old September 10th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #7201
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Warsaw is too small to be classed with Istanbul and london ...


Frankfurt is becoming a running joke .. fossilized is not the word


Otherwise ... not a bad list
I like Frankfurts skyline, it's got good quality towers and good height for European standards. It hasn't been growing as fast as some but it has been growing more than many others and there is a few projects taking off there now. It's not the clear leader that it used to be because of the increased competition from other cities, but it's still one of the best and a couple more 200m+ towers and maybe a supertall and it would be number 1 for a lot of people, it could be claimed as the best now from some angles. It's gunna be hard for anyone to keep up with moscow/london/istanbul tho over the next few years but it is impressive that is continues to build as much or more than paris while being a much smaller city
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Old September 10th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #7203
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Warsaw is too small to be classed with Istanbul and london ...


Frankfurt is becoming a running joke .. fossilized is not the word


Otherwise ... not a bad list
It's about design and composition, I don't care about how tall the towers are. For instance, I like Seattle's skyline better than Dubai's.

Frankfurt's skyline is classic, reminds me of Philadelphia, Atlanta, etc
London's towers are mostly dull, except for that tall tower in Canary Wharf (classic feel) and the Shard (unique design).
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Old September 10th, 2015, 02:10 PM   #7204
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[]Warsaw is too small to be classed with Istanbul and london ...



It does not matter how big is the city. It is important to the quality and size of the skyline. It looks better if it is connected with the city center.

p.s. Frankfurt Skyline is wonderful and the population is only 0,7 mln people and the area more than two less than Warsaw.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #7205
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[]Warsaw is too small to be classed with Istanbul and london ...



It does not matter how big is the city. It is important to the quality and size of the skyline. It looks better if it is connected with the city center.

p.s. Frankfurt Skyline is wonderful and the population is only 0,7 mln people and the area more than two less than Warsaw.
Well both Frankfurt and Warsaw are tiny cities if you compare them with giants like London, Istanbul, Paris or Moscow. And still both have decent skyline.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 06:24 PM   #7206
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It is bullshit to think,that more/taller towers make a skyline automaticly better.If a city reach 50 100+Meter building i does not make a big difference if it has 10 +/- tall buildings.

If a city has a very small skyline,yes than it make a difference.LA has for example more and higher high buildings than seattle,but the seattle skyline looks much more fatter and bigger than LA.

Boston has maybe only the half of higrises than San Fransissco,but it doesnt mean that the skyline is worse.Some people like it more.

The thread is named:the best european skylines and not the tallest buildings which you doesnt use in 20 years.Nobody knows what will happen with England(Brexit),Russia(crisis) or Turkey(crisis) in 1-2-5 or 20 years.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 07:47 PM   #7207
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It depends a lot on the surroundings. Buildings that look like towers when they're on big slabs surrounded by low rise would dissappear if they were in a city centre.
In the city of London only the 150m+ towers are visible, all the other ones dissappear. Well over half the buildings in la defense would not be visible if they were in the city of London. While if you put all those city of London towers on a slab like la defense they would all become very visible and would show the density of the place. For instance a 100m building that looks like a tower in la defense would look like an invisible midrise if it was in the city of london.
When I have time I might attempt a render of what la defense would look like if it were in the COL and what COL would look like if it were in la defense. It would be very interesting to see
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Old September 10th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #7209
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Old September 10th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #7210
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It depends a lot on the surroundings. Buildings that look like towers when they're on big slabs surrounded by low rise would dissappear if they were in a city centre.
In the city of London only the 150m+ towers are visible, all the other ones dissappear. Well over half the buildings in la defense would not be visible if they were in the city of London. While if you put all those city of London towers on a slab like la defense they would all become very visible and would show the density of the place. For instance a 100m building that looks like a tower in la defense would look like an invisible midrise if it was in the city of london.
When I have time I might attempt a render of what la defense would look like if it were in the COL and what COL would look like if it were in la defense. It would be very interesting to see
It isn't really the density or the height of surrounding buildings, but the uniformity of heights. If you build a 100m tower in a very dense city with a uniform height to the low-rise buildings, that tower will stick out (for example: Milan, Frankfurt, Paris etc). The particularity of London is that, unlike most European cities, it does not really have a uniform height to buildings which is why it is harder for a mid-rise to stick out. The slab is irrelevant frankly.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 09:38 PM   #7211
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Old September 11th, 2015, 01:26 AM   #7212
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100m+ UC/T/O/PREP/DEMO

London 68
Frankfurt 5
Milan 4
Warsaw 4
Paris 4
Rotterdam 1


Don't know numbers for istanbul or Moscow. Moscow has less than london but Istanbul likely has more. There is clearly an extremely large gap between the top 3 (istanbul/london/moscow) and everybody else, it's difficult to explain the reasons for this, I've heard people try but i haven't been convinced by any of them really. Just one of those things I suppose.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 02:04 AM   #7213
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London 68
Moscow has less than london.
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the completed ones:

1. Mercury City Tower 339 m
2. Eurasia Tower 309m
3. City of Capitals Moscow Tower 302m
4. Naberezhnaya Tower C 268m
5. Triumph Palace 264m
6. City of Capitals Saint Petersburg Tower 257m
7. OKO Office Tower 245m
8. Federation Towers "West" 242m
9. MSU Main Building 240m
10. Imperia Tower 239m
11. House on Mosfilmovskaya Block 1 213m
12. Radisson Royal Hotel 198m
13. Vorobyovy Gory II 192m
14. Tricolor 1 192m
15. Continental 191m
16. Scarlet Sails 4 181m
17. Vorobyovy Gory I 177m
18. Kotelnicheskaya Embankment Tower 176m
19. Edelweiss 176m
20. Vorobyovy Gory III 172m
21. Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia 172m
22. Nordstar Tower 172m
23. Mirax Plaza B 168m
24. Zagorye 165m
25. Swissotel 165m
26. Wellhouse 162m
27. Kudrinskaya Square 160m
28. Avenue 77A 155m
29. Avenue 77B 155m
30. Avenue 77C 155m

31. Bastion 153m
32. Gazprom 151m
33. Dom v Sokolnikax 147m
34. Domnikov 141m
35. Izmaylovsky 1 140m
36. Izmaylovsky 2 140m
37. Severny Park 140m
38. Central House of Tourists 138m
39. Wellton Park 138m
40. Red Gate Building 138m
41. NII Delta 138m
42. Leningradskaya hotel 136m
43. Dom na Begovoy 1 136m
44. Dom na Begovoy 2 136m

45. Monte Falcone 135m
46. Rublevskiye Ogni 135m
47. Monarch-Center 134m
48. House on Mosfilmovskaya block 3 132m
49. North Tower 132m
50. Yantarny Gorod 130m
51. Olympia Tower 2 129m
52. World Trade Center 3 128m
53. Naberezhnaya Tower B 127m
54. Zima 126m
55. Krylatskie Ogni I 125m
56. Aviatsionnaya Ulitsa 66-1 Building 1 125m
57. Aviatsionnaya Ulitsa 66-1 Building 2 125m
58. Tricolor 3 124m
59. VDNH Tower 124m
60. Aerobus 1 123m
61. Aerobus 2 123m
62. Elena 123m
63. Dom na Begovoy 3 123m
64. Emerald 123m
65. Scarlet Sails 1, korpus 1 122m
66. Scarlet Sails 1, korpus 3 122m
67. NII Kontur 122m
68. NII Priboy 122m
69. Academy of sciences 120m
70. Michurinsky Prospekt k23 120m
71. Leto 120m
72. Krylatskie Holmy 37 120m
73. Marshala Zhukova Prospekt v43 k9 120m
74. Government of Russia Building 119m
75. Beryuzova 41 116m
76. Sun 116m
77. Teplichny Pereulok 116m
78. Preo8 115m
79. Prospekt Vernadskogo 12 115m
80. Prospekt Vernadskogo 12A 115m
81. Rosoboronexport Building 115m
82. Leninsky Prospekt 116-1 115m
83. Osen 114m
84. Izmailovsky 4 112m
85. Izmailovsky 3 112m
86. Profico 112m
87. Khodynsky Bulvar 5-4 111m
88. Khodynsky Bulvar 5-3 111m
89. Khodynsky Bulvar 5-2 111m
90. Khodynsky Bulvar 5-1 111m
91. Paveletskaya Tower 111m
92. Leninsky Prospekt 98-1 111m
93. Two Severnye Vorota 110m
94. One Severnye Vorota 110m
95. Kutuzovskaya Riviera 4 110m
96. Kutuzovskaya Riviera 3 110m
97. Kutuzovskaya Riviera 2 110m
98. Kutuzovskaya Riviera 1 110m
99. Posyolok Hudozhnikov 110m
100. Skylight 2 110m
101. Skylight 1 110m
102. Sky Fort 3 109m
103. Sky Fort 2 109m
104. Sky Fort 1 109m
105. Losiny Ostrov 1 108m
106. Losiny Ostrov 2 108m
107. Losiny Ostrov 3 108m
108. Losiny Ostrov 4 108m
109. Leninsky Prospekt 92-1 108m
110. Zodiac 107m
111. Leninsky Prospekt 128-1 107m
112. Levoberezhny Mkr-2b k7a 107m
113. Wellhouse at Dubrovka II 106m
114. Wellhouse at Dubrovka I 106m
115. Leninsky Prospekt 106-1 106m
116. Mayor Office 105m
117. Bashnya 2000 104m
118. Vodny 104m
119. Aivazovsky 102m
120. Timiryazevsky III 102m
121. Timiryazevsky II 102m
122. Timiryazevsky I 102m
123. Three Yantarny Gorod 101m
124. Two Yantarny Gorod 101m
125. Vesna 100m
126. Hydroproject Building 100m
127. Ulitsa Novy Arbat 15 100m
128. Ulitsa Novy Arbat 13 100m
129. Ulitsa Novy Arbat 21 100m
130. Ulitsa Novy Arbat 19 100m
131. Golden Gate Business Center 2 100m

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U/C and T/O ones:
1. Federation Towers "East" 374m T/O
2. OKO Apartment Tower 352m T/O
3. ST Tower 1 337m
4. ST Tower 2 289m
5. Evolution Tower 255 T/O
6. Mirax Plaza 1 193m T/O
7. Tricolor 2 192m T/O
8. Mirax Plaza 2 168m T/O
9. iQ Quarter Tower 2 167m T/O
10. Savelovsky City 5 156m
11. Savelovsky City 4 156m
12. Dolina Setun A 144m T/O
13. CSKA Stadium 142m
14. Dolina Setun B 135m T/O
15. Prospekt Vernadskogo 41 130m
16. Heart Of The Capital k3 129m
17. iQ Quarter Tower 1 124m T/O
18. Oruzheiny 121m T/O
19. Akadem-Palace 3 121m T/O
20. Levoberezhny Mkr-2b k8a 120m T/O
21. MFK in Olympic Passage 120m T/O
22. Novye Cheryomushki 10C k8 116m T/O
23. Aliye Parusa 6 114m T/O
24. Aliye Parusa 6k2 111m T/O
25. FiliGrad k1b 109m T/O
26. The Mid 108m
27. Utesov k2 105m T/O
28. Utesov k1 105m T/O
29. Dykhanie 100m
Only Com, U/C, T/O. No prep or prop.
Some(~10-15) absent for unknown reasons.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 03:20 AM   #7214
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Dafuq? There are 74 100m+ buildings in the Paris area.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 07:59 AM   #7215
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Only Com, U/C, T/O. No prep or prop.
Some(~10-15) absent for unknown reasons.
He was only talking about U/C, Demo, aproved, not COM. Currently London has 32 tower above 100 U/C and Moscow 29 according to your list above.
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He was only talking about U/C, Demo, aproved, not COM. Currently London has 32 tower above 100 U/C and Moscow 29 according to your list above.
Ok. I was inattentive.
The new mayor does not like high-rise buildings, so the number of skyscrapers under construction right now decreased, despite the increase in the total amount of construction in the city.
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This is just the 100m+ uc/prep/demo. It does not include approved/proposed, that would take too long and I'm lazy.


LONDON 100m+ UC/PREP/DEMO

1. Principal place 163m uc
2. 100 Bishopsgate 172m uc
3. 52 lime street 192m uc
4. Diamond tower 220m uc
5. 22 Bishopsgate 278m demo
6. 30 marsh wall 185m demo
7. Heron plaza 135m uc
8. Hertsemere house 237m demo
9. Canada water sites d & e 140m demo
10. 20 fenchurch street 160m t/o
11. 40 marsh wall 124m uc
12. 1 bank street 147m prep
13. 10 bank street 150m prep
14. City pride 233m uc
15. South quay tower one 215m demo
16. South quay tower two 115m demo
17. Helix tower one 122m prep
18. Helix tower two 104m prep
19. Southbank tower 155m uc
20. One blackfriars 163m uc
21. Shell tower one 126m demo
22. Shell tower two 109m demo
23. Shell tower three 104m demo
24. One angel court 101m uc
25. Lots road towers 122m/85m uc
26. Morello tower 172m demo
27. Taberner house 120m prep
28. Skyline woodberry down 101m uc
29. One park place 163m prep
30. Saffron square 134m uc
31. St George's tower 181m t/o
32. One nine elms tower one 200m uc
33. One nine elms tower two 161m uc
34. Akyon 170m demo
35. Lexicon 120m uc
36. 250 city road tower one 155m uc
37. 250 city road tower two 130m uc
38. The stage 115m demo
39. The ram quarter 116m uc
40. Nine elms point 126m/90m uc
41. Sky gardens 120m uc
42. Millharbour tower one 145m prep
43. Millharbour tower two 122m prep
44. Baltimore wharf 150m uc
45. Wood wharf tower one 200m prep
46. Wood wharf tower two 173m prep
47. Wood wharf tower three 150m prep
48. 25 Churchill place 130m t/o
49. Providence tower 136m uc
50. Dollar bay tower 109m uc
51. The madison 182m demo
52. 360 elephant 149m uc
53. Keybridge house 129m demo
54. Stratosphere 122m/55m uc
55. Capitol towers 122m/52m uc
56. Imperial college tower 141m uc
57. Ram brewery 113m demo
58. Stratford central 103m uc
59. Peninsula central east 102m prep
60. Manhattan loft garden 143m uc
61. One crown place tower one 123m demo
62. One crown place tower two 107m demo
63. The atlas 134m uc
64. 20 blackfriars 133m/98m demo
65. One the elephant 123m uc
66. 2fifty1 134m uc
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LONDON 100m+ UC/PREP/DEMO

1. Principal place 163m uc
2. 100 Bishopsgate 172m uc
3. 52 lime street 192m uc
4. Diamond tower 220m uc
5. 22 Bishopsgate 278m demo
6. 30 marsh wall 185m demo - Not demo or U/C
7. Heron plaza 135m uc - site prep
8. Hertsemere house 237m demo - plans yet to be approved
9. Canada water sites d & e 140m demo
10. 20 fenchurch street 160m t/o - complete
11. 40 marsh wall 124m uc
12. 1 bank street 147m prep
13. 10 bank street 150m prep - No plans to build the tower yet after site prep.
14. City pride 233m uc
15. South quay tower one 215m demo
16. South quay tower two 115m demo
17. Helix tower one 122m prep - appears to be on hold
18. Helix tower two 104m prep - appears to be on hold
19. Southbank tower 155m uc
20. One blackfriars 163m uc
21. Shell tower one 126m demo
22. Shell tower two 109m demo
23. Shell tower three 104m demo
24. One angel court 101m uc
25. Lots road towers 122m/85m uc - no work on the towers yet
26. Morello tower 172m demo - no work on the tower yet
27. Taberner house 120m prep - might be U/C, haven't had an update in a while
28. Skyline woodberry down 101m uc
29. One park place 163m prep - on hold
30. Saffron square 134m uc
31. St George's tower 181m t/o - been complete for years
32. One nine elms tower one 200m uc
33. One nine elms tower two 161m uc
34. Akyon 170m demo not yet demo
35. Lexicon 120m uc
36. 250 city road tower one 155m uc
37. 250 city road tower two 130m uc
38. The stage 115m demo
39. The ram quarter 116m uc
40. Nine elms point 126m/90m uc
41. Sky gardens 120m uc
42. Millharbour tower one 145m prep - no movement yet
43. Millharbour tower two 122m prep - no movement yet
44. Baltimore wharf 150m uc
45. Wood wharf tower one 200m prep
46. Wood wharf tower two 173m prep
47. Wood wharf tower three 150m prep
48. 25 Churchill place 130m t/o - been complete for years
49. Providence tower 136m uc
50. Dollar bay tower 109m uc
51. The madison 182m demo
52. 360 elephant 149m uc
53. Keybridge house 129m demo
54. Stratosphere 122m/55m uc
55. Capitol towers 110m/52m uc
56. Imperial college tower 141m uc - tower not yet U/C
57. Ram brewery 113m demo - same tower as the ram quarter above
58. Stratford central 103m uc
59. Peninsula central east 102m prep
60. Manhattan loft garden 143m uc
61. One crown place tower one 123m demo - not demo
62. One crown place tower two 107m demo - not demo
63. The atlas 134m uc
64. 20 blackfriars 133m/98m demo - new planning app expected.
65. One the elephant 123m uc
66. 2fifty1 134m uc
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