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Old October 17th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #7601
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Old October 17th, 2015, 06:23 PM   #7602
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Old October 17th, 2015, 06:27 PM   #7603
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Bbcwallander, I know, but I have a few Russians in my school and they all speak French well and they told me it's what they learn in Russia.
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Old October 17th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #7604
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The 70s (8 buildings completed)

1969-1972 = Holiday Inn Frankfurt | 100m
1970-1972 = AfE-Tower | 116m (demolished)
1970-1973 = Neue Mainzer Str. 32-36 | 109m
1971-1974 = City-Haus | 142m
1973-1976 = Garden Tower | 127m
1972-1976 = Westendgate | 159m (first Skyscraper in Germany)
1971-1977 = Eurotower | 148m
1975-1978 = Silver Tower | 166m

The 80s (4 buildings completed)

1973-1980 = FBC | 142m
1982-1984 = Messe Torhaus | 117m
1979-1984 = D-Bank 1 | 155m
1979-1984 = D-Bank 2 | 155m

The 90s (9 buildings completed)

1988-1990 = Messeturm | 256m (First 200m+ Skyscraper)
1990-1993 = Westend Tower | 208m
1989-1993 = Trianon | 186m
1966-1993 = B.C. Nibelungenpl. | 110m (after increase)
1993-1996 = Japan Center | 115m
1994-1997 = Commerzbank T | 259m
1994-1997 = Pollux | 130m
1996-1999 = Maintower | 200m
1997-1999 = Eurotheum | 110m

The 2000s (6 buildings completed)

2000-2003 = Gallileo | 136m
2001-2003 = IBC Tower | 112m
2001-2004 = Westhafen Tower | 112m
2002-2004 = Skyper | 154m
1969-2007 = Parktower | 115m (after increase)
2007-2009 = Opernturm | 170m

The 2010s (13 buildings possible)

2007-2010 = Nextower | 136m
2008-2011 = PwC Tower | 200m
2010-2014 = ECB-Tower | 185m
2012-2014 = Taunusturm | 170m
2014-2016 = Henninger T. | 140m (U/C)
2015-2017 = WinX | 110m (U/C)
2015-2018 = Metzler Tower | 185m (site prep.)
2016-2018 = Marienturm | 155m (demolition work)
2016-2018 = Towern 2 | 160m (approved)

2016-2018 = Messeeingang Süd | 100m (announced)
2016-2018 = Porsche Design Tower | 100m (announced)
2017-2019 = Hotel am Güterplatz | 110 (announced)
2016-2019 = Meliá Frankfurt / Kulturcampus 1 | 140m (announced)


Other planned projects

Tower 1 | 175m
Kulturcampus 2 | 100m
Hochhaus am Polizeipräsidium | 145m
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #7605
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Bbcwallander, I know, but I have a few Russians in my school and they all speak French well and they told me it's what they learn in Russia.
It's true. A few years ago appeared in schools compulsory foreign language (German or French) and for part of his know better than english
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:34 PM   #7606
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:53 PM   #7607
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Old October 17th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #7608
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I haven't done a list for a long time. This is my personal top ten with some explanations:

1. Frankfurt (high, moderate to high density, iconic tower designs, historically grown, needs a supertall)

2. Paris (moderately high, high to very high density, interesting tower designs, historically grown, needs higher buildings and/or a super tall, needs iconic tower designs)

3. London (high, iconic tower designs, too spread out, some tacky tower designs)

4. Moscow (very high, interesting tower design, dense but very small cluster, some tacky tower designs, not historically grown)

5. Warsaw (moderately high, moderate density, interesting tower designs, needs more density, needs higher towers, needs iconic new tower designs)

6. Istanbul (moderate high to high, needs a supertall, needs more density, needs iconic tower designs, some tacky tower designs)

7. Rotterdam (moderately dense, interesting towers, needs more height, needs more density, needs iconic tower designs)

8. Milan (moderately high, interesting towers, needs more height, too small cluster, needs iconic tower designs, not historically grown)

9. Madrid high, interesting towers, much too small cluster, not historically grown

10. Vienna moderately high, too small cluster, not historically grown
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Old October 18th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #7609
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I haven't done a list for a long time. This is my personal top ten with some explanations:

8. Milan (moderately high, interesting towers, needs more height, too small cluster, needs iconic tower designs, not historically grown)
nice list with explanations

only one thing about Milan (the one I've underlined)

I think that Milan already has iconic design towers:


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the first one, the Unicredit Tower 231 m, it's the one iconic in the "Porta Nuova" cluster and it gives perfection to the shape of this skyline:

Porta Nuova by Alessandro, su Flickr


the second one, the Allianz Tower (also called "Il Dritto") 207 m to the roof/242 m with antenna, it's iconic itself too, but it's only part of a new cluster under costrunction that will be whole iconic for the city:



(these are the 3 iconic towers of the "CityLife" cluster that will be composed by 6 new towers)
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Old October 18th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #7610
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Old October 18th, 2015, 06:29 AM   #7611
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There is huge difference between learning French and speaking it!

In the UK everyone learns French in school but practically no one can speak it fluently.
Come on, you speak french. Already....
One half of english vocabulary is made of french words...
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Old October 18th, 2015, 06:47 AM   #7612
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Old October 18th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #7613
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8. Milan (moderately high, interesting towers, needs more height, too small cluster, needs iconic tower designs, not historically grown)
Is it just me having hipster tastes or Milan is really underrated here ?
It's small for now, but I think it is the most interesting recent skyline in Europe.
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Old October 18th, 2015, 01:33 PM   #7614
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the second one, the Allianz Tower (also called "Il Dritto") 207 m to the roof/242 m with antenna, it's iconic itself too, but it's only part of a new cluster under costrunction that will be whole iconic for the city:



(these are the 3 iconic towers of the "CityLife" cluster that will be composed by 6 new towers)

Absolutely beautiful! Wonderful design! Just stunning!
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Old October 18th, 2015, 02:11 PM   #7615
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Old October 18th, 2015, 03:34 PM   #7616
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Absolutely beautiful! Wonderful design! Just stunning!
It's an old render. Here the updates
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Old October 18th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #7617
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8. Milan (moderately high, interesting towers, needs more height, too small cluster, needs iconic tower designs, not historically grown)


I don't comment your ranking, I only partially agree but everybody has its own tastes. But I would like to "correct" some of your comments on my city, Milan.

1) It doesn't have the best height but it is pretty good for European standard, where most of the countries don't even have a 200+ building (also Paris has only a couple of them)

2) Milan has several iconic towers that are immediatily recognizable, for example the Unictredit Tower, the Allianz Tower or the Verical Forest (that also won the International Highrise Award in 2014 beating around 800 finalist highrise buildings from all over the would)

3) Although Milan's skyline is booming only latery, it is not correct to say that its skyline is not "historically grown". Milan has a remarkable tradition in the development of high rise buildings since the early 1900. Milan was a leading city for tall buildings back in the day and was among the most innovative untill the sixties. Moreover Milan has one of the few European highrise buildings, the Pirelli Tower, that has a remarkable place in the worldwide history of highrises; it inspired several buildings in the world, even in New York.

Then I agree that Milan still needs a development, but it is still building at a rate much higher than most of European countries so its skyline is changing and growing day after day..

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Old October 18th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #7618
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Is it just me having hipster tastes or Milan is really underrated here ?
It's small for now, but I think it is the most interesting recent skyline in Europe.
I think that it happens because Milan's skyline was booming only recently and still gives that "under construction" feeling. However I am sure tha it is going to improve it's position in European ranking because there are several new towers in Milan's future and, differently from what hapoens usually for most of the cities here, they are actually going to be built.
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Old October 18th, 2015, 05:21 PM   #7619
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These towers are indeed beautiful...but in my opinion they are not iconic (or even completely build). Not like Messeturm, Commerzbank, Maintower, Gherkin, The Shard, One Canada Square. Especially the left two towers designs in this rendering could stand anywhere in the world, mostly Asia from their look. Together in that triangle composition with differing heights and clad in glass they remind me very much of Baku's Flame Towers (which have become iconic and might have been an inspiration to this design.)
The Unicredit Tower always looks to me like the Burj Khalifa hiding behind a usual highrise. I'm not saying this to be mean. I literally often think that for a second when I'm looking at Milan's skyline.
The city is too few years in the skyscraper spotlight for now. I bet outside of skyscraper freaks, like we are, 95% of the people don't even know Milan has a substantial modern skyline now. Milan is mostly the Duomo, Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II and fashion for them and that is perfectly fine. Also being in the overall top ten in Europe (place eight in my personal list) isn't bad at all. I don't really understand why so many are complaining about Milan's place in my list. :/
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Old October 18th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #7620
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We are not complaining, position 8 could be reasonable so far. We just don't agree about some of your comments.
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