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Old March 28th, 2016, 01:14 AM   #8721
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1. Moscow
2.london
3.frankfurt/Istanbul
4.la defense
5.warsaw
6.rotterdam
7. Milan
8. The Hague
9. Madrid
10. Vienna
Looking at the top ten cities, you can see that most of them are growing, some very quickly (london/istanbul/Moscow), some quickly but less so (warsaw/milan) some slow but still growing (rotterdam/la defense. And a recent plus for Europe is frankfurts new growth spurt, looks like it could be a dramatic transformation.
All in all a good improvement going on in Europe's skylines.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 02:39 AM   #8722
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1. Moscow
2.london
3.frankfurt/Istanbul
4.la defense
5.warsaw
6.rotterdam
7. Milan
8. The Hague
9. Madrid
10. Vienna
Looking at the top ten cities, you can see that most of them are growing, some very quickly (london/istanbul/Moscow), some quickly but less so (warsaw/milan) some slow but still growing (rotterdam/la defense. And a recent plus for Europe is frankfurts new growth spurt, looks like it could be a dramatic transformation.
All in all a good improvement going on in Europe's skylines.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 02:43 AM   #8723
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1. Frankfurt
2. Moscow
3. London
4. Rotterdam/Warsaw/Constantinople
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Old March 28th, 2016, 03:12 AM   #8724
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Old March 28th, 2016, 10:13 AM   #8725
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Old March 28th, 2016, 11:26 AM   #8726
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Old March 28th, 2016, 01:15 PM   #8728
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Old March 28th, 2016, 05:14 PM   #8729
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Old March 28th, 2016, 05:58 PM   #8730
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For me:

1. Moscow: Five or 10 years ago probably not even top 5 in Europe but now nr.1. High density, high quality skyscrapers. Maybe not that many buildings (in the business district) like other cities but the quality & the height make it nr.1 for me. Great pictures aswell that show a modern high quality skyline. Cladding is great aswell.
2. Frankfurt: Used to be my nr.1 in Europe but now probably just about passed by Moscow. Still a great skyline and from 1 angle from the river on the same level with Moscow but from other angles it still lacks a bit of density. The quality of buildings/claddings is better then Paris so definately still top 2 in Europe for me. Still a great skyline based on European standards and with the proposed & U/C going on could become nr.1 again. Great pictures from the river that show a quality, dense skyline.
3. Paris: High density but lacks a few really high stand-out skyscrapers. It's more a skyline in depth and not in height and some buildings are a bit dated. I like that cube tho. It's kinda futuristic and improves La Défense. I put Paris in front of London because of that cube and because La défense has a better cluster of skyscrapers. I've seen lot's of proposals & U/C so could improve in the rankings in the coming years and even eclipse Frankfurt & Moscow but that remains to be seen.
4. London: Too widespread. Canary Wharf is great but limited in height and density (it's dense but not rly that many 'real' skyscrapers). City of London skyline is only a few buildings. Also lots of projects going on so if both Canary Wharf & London city could add a number of buildings to increase density + height it could become nr.1 in Europe with 2 skylines appearing. At the moment it's just too limited and/or widespread but it has a lot of potential. Canary Wharf is pretty neat/nice though.

Behind those 4 I guess Warsaw & Rotterdam come the closest. Istanbul could easily be top 5 if all those buildings werent so widespread. Put that in a cluster and u have a top skyline.
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Old March 28th, 2016, 06:57 PM   #8731
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Ehh, I guess new Henninger Tower will be an improvement over the eyesore of the past but I still wish it wasn't inspired by the old design so much...
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Old March 28th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #8734
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Old March 29th, 2016, 02:16 AM   #8735
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For me:

1. Moscow: Five or 10 years ago probably not even top 5 in Europe but now nr.1. High density, high quality skyscrapers. Maybe not that many buildings (in the business district) like other cities but the quality & the height make it nr.1 for me. Great pictures aswell that show a modern high quality skyline. Cladding is great aswell.
2. Frankfurt: Used to be my nr.1 in Europe but now probably just about passed by Moscow. Still a great skyline and from 1 angle from the river on the same level with Moscow but from other angles it still lacks a bit of density. The quality of buildings/claddings is better then Paris so definately still top 2 in Europe for me. Still a great skyline based on European standards and with the proposed & U/C going on could become nr.1 again. Great pictures from the river that show a quality, dense skyline.
3. Paris: High density but lacks a few really high stand-out skyscrapers. It's more a skyline in depth and not in height and some buildings are a bit dated. I like that cube tho. It's kinda futuristic and improves La Défense. I put Paris in front of London because of that cube and because La défense has a better cluster of skyscrapers. I've seen lot's of proposals & U/C so could improve in the rankings in the coming years and even eclipse Frankfurt & Moscow but that remains to be seen.
4. London: Too widespread. Canary Wharf is great but limited in height and density (it's dense but not rly that many 'real' skyscrapers). City of London skyline is only a few buildings. Also lots of projects going on so if both Canary Wharf & London city could add a number of buildings to increase density + height it could become nr.1 in Europe with 2 skylines appearing. At the moment it's just too limited and/or widespread but it has a lot of potential. Canary Wharf is pretty neat/nice though.

Behind those 4 I guess Warsaw & Rotterdam come the closest. Istanbul could easily be top 5 if all those buildings werent so widespread. Put that in a cluster and u have a top skyline.
Good post. My thoughts on a couple of your points regarding density.
La defense and frankfurts are surrounded by low rises so an illusion of density is created by the fact that buildings that would be invisible in the city of London or Moscow look like towers in La defense and frankfurt, and these buildings make up most of the so called density of la defence/frankfurt. If you put La defense or frankfurt skyline in the city of London, much of it would dissappear. The city of London is full of towers that are invisible, only the tallest towers can be seen and even then it's only the top half. Buildings like the Willis tower 135m, aviva tower 125m, all the 100m-150m towers like stock exchange, 9 bishopsgate, nido, angel court, citypoint, heron court etc etc none of them are visible, but it's buildings like these that make up most of the density of La defebse/frankfurt. All the 25fl+ aldgate towers and all the other -100m towers in the COL are also not visible in the city of London. If you put all the city of London towers in an area like La defense or frankfurt it would look much denser and if you put la defense/frankfurt in the city of london there apparent density would be greatly reduced. Frankfurt has enough 200m+ to still look good in the city of London but the majority of the rest of its towers -150m, along with its density, would dissappear. La defense would be even worse, with most of its towers invisible and only one 200m+ to be a peak with the tops of a few 150m+ around it, suddenly the density is gone
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If you put La defense or frankfurt skyline in the city of London, much of it would dissappear. The city of London is full of towers that are invisible, only the tallest towers can be seen and even then it's only the top half.



I think they have no idea of the size of Frankfurt skyline.

The City of London would fit well into the Banking district of Frankfurt and nevertheless hardly be noticed.

The heights of the building are about the same.

City of London
Leadenhall Building = 225m
and Heron Tower = 202m (230m)
Tower 42 = 183
30 St. Mary Axe = 180m
Broadgate Tower = 164m
20 Fenchurch Street = 160m

against

Skyline Frankfurt
Commerzbank Tower = 259
Messeturm = 257m
Westend T. = 208m
Maintower =200m (240m)
PwC-Tower = 200m
Trianon = 186
Taunusturm = 170m
Opernturm = 170m
Silberturm = 166m
Westendgate = 159m
D- Bank T. = 155m
D- Bank T. = 155m
Skyper = 154m

Ostend

ECB-Tower = 185m


Frankfurt Skyline - Google Maps
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https://www.google.de/maps/@51.49816...!3m1!1e3?hl=de
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Old March 29th, 2016, 12:40 PM   #8737
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Old March 29th, 2016, 05:24 PM   #8739
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suddenly the density is gone
But it's not gone "just cause they would be invisible in London and Moscow". Going by this logic I could say neither London or Moscow have any skyline whatsoever because all their 200-300m towers would look invisible in center of Dubai, Hong Kong Central district, Pudong or Midtown Manhattan. The only context that matters is the city itself each respective skyline is located in and that's why Frankfurt will remain Europe #1 for few more years at leat, until London finishes building its multiple projects and/or Moscow adds some more towers around IBC core of handful of showpiece towers.
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Old March 29th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #8740
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If you put La defense or frankfurt skyline in the city of London, much of it would dissappear.
I doubt that, I used to live in London and never had the feeling being surrounded by huge towers. Frankfurt's 250m+ towers would stand out easily and its 200m+ towers would still be visible from most angles...
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