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Old August 22nd, 2016, 08:18 PM   #9601
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Frankfurt. Current wave of Warsaw's 2016 projects (already U/C or scheduled to start in 2016) is extensive and Foster's Chmielna Tower in particular shall have similar impact on the Warsaw's skyline as Commerzbank had on Frankfurt's skyline, but it's still playing catch-up. Warsaw will likely come close or even rival Frankfurt's current stage within the next 3-4 years, but Frankfurt ain't static and is experiencing its own construction boom too.
Well this kind of comparisons are always subjective, I would say the Palace of Culture played "Commerzbank role" since decades and this new project by HB Reavis will just add to that, but even with 310 meters it will not outshine good old Pkin (both have huge antenas though) but I guess we should wait for the final/official project in september.
Anyway I like Warsaw more on the wider shots, when you can see that it's a bigger city and it's just more going on.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 08:28 PM   #9602
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Warsaw will likely come close or even rival Frankfurt's current stage within the next 3-4 years, but Frankfurt ain't static and is experiencing its own construction boom too.
If Frankfurt starts building the recently announced and still untitled "Dt Bank complex" project (+ the 185m Omnitower which is U/C is located right next to this planned complex) then I don't see a chance for Warsaw to close the gap anytime soon unless Warsaw has a similiar project in the pipeline.

EDIT [Now re-reading your post, you were referrering to Frankfurt's current stage. I probably should have read your post more carefully]



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Frankfurt. Current wave of Warsaw's 2016 projects (already U/C or scheduled to start in 2016) is extensive and Foster's Chmielna Tower in particular shall have similar impact on the Warsaw's skyline as Commerzbank had on Frankfurt's skyline, but it's still playing catch-up..
Could you list current and near future projects of all 150m+ towers in Warsaw? But only those projects that are a definite "go". I am really curious. Thanks!
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 09:06 PM   #9603
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 09:32 PM   #9604
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If Frankfurt starts building the recently announced and still untitled "Dt Bank complex" project (+ the 185m Omnitower which is U/C is located right next to this planned complex) then I don't see a chance for Warsaw
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There is 3 u/c glasses skyscraper in Warsaw - Generation 140m will be finished in this year I think.
There is many others announced that they start building in 2016 for example Mennica Legacy 130m and Karimpol 195m and there are other announced like Chmielna Bussines Center and Port Praski - on the other side of Vistula River.


Warsaw is capital city and bussines center of Poland for god sake.
And it will be growing fast. But Frankfurt is also great city.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:17 PM   #9605
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Well this kind of comparisons are always subjective, I would say the Palace of Culture played "Commerzbank role" since decades and this new project by HB Reavis will just add to that, but even with 310 meters it will not outshine good old Pkin (both have huge antenas though) but I guess we should wait for the final/official project in september.
You could definitely say so, though at the same time Palace is so distinct from the rest of the skyline it sometimes doesn't feel like a modern functional part of it despite sitting right within, more so like a monument of the "old" era.

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If Frankfurt starts building the recently announced and still untitled "Dt Bank complex" project (+ the 185m Omnitower which is U/C is located right next to this planned complex) then I don't see a chance for Warsaw to close the gap anytime soon unless Warsaw has a similiar project in the pipeline.

EDIT [Now re-reading your post, you were referrering to Frankfurt's current stage. I probably should have read your post more carefully]
That's why I said "Frankfurt's current stage" I'm fully aware about the competition's impressive lineup coming up and that it ain't content letting us catch-up

As for comparable projects, Chmielna will be a big complex in itself and have a massive impact on the whole skyline but DT Bank complex will be even further expansion for Frankfurt. I would say the developement of Plac Defilad would be comparable but it's long way off and it won't get developed by a single company.

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Could you list current and near future projects of all 150m+ towers in Warsaw? But only those projects that are a definite "go". I am really curious. Thanks!
Let's bring it down to 130m+

Under construction:

Generation Park 140m


Sienna Towers 2x130m + 86m


Spark 130m


Announced/expected to begin construction in 2016:

Skyliner 195m (next to Sienna Towers)


Mennica Legacy Tower 130m


Atlas Estates Tower 167m


Chmielna 310m + 103m + 81m (early non-final renders, missing spire)


Expected impact of Chmielna on the central cluster (unofficial render):
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:40 PM   #9606
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There is 3 u/c glasses skyscraper in Warsaw - Generation 140m will be finished in this year I think.
There is many others announced that they start building in 2016 for example Mennica Legacy 130m and Karimpol 195m and there are other announced like Chmielna Bussines Center and Port Praski - on the other side of Vistula River.

Warsaw is capital city and bussines center of Poland for god sake.
And it will be growing fast. But Frankfurt is also great city.
I never said, Warsaw wasn't growing but I didn't mention most of Frankfurt's current projects, I was just referring to the complex. Of course there is much more going on right now in Frankfurt. But Warsaw is also a great city.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:45 PM   #9607
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That's why I said "Frankfurt's current stage" I'm fully aware about the competition's impressive lineup coming up and that it ain't content letting us catch-up
It's always good to have competition. Frankfurt and Warsaw both have no national competitors in terms of highrises so they will be natural competitors soon. The race is on!
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There is 3 u/c glasses skyscraper in Warsaw - Generation 140m will be finished in this year I think.
There is many others announced that they start building in 2016 for example Mennica Legacy 130m and Karimpol 195m and there are other announced like Chmielna Bussines Center and Port Praski - on the other side of Vistula River.
Frankfurt has 5 Towers u/c and warsaw 3.

It is clear who the winner is.

In Frankfurt counts especially the roof height and not the total height with antennas / spires like in Warsaw.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 11:47 PM   #9609
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 01:41 AM   #9610
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^Well it has 4 luxury apartments + a Restaurant + a viewing platform on top. So it counts!

I don't like these crazy spires either, this includes Frankfurt's Commerzbank Tower, its kinda fake, it just shouldn't count..
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 02:48 AM   #9611
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So zero towers u/c 150+ meters.
By the way what is the height without the spire on that chmielnal! I've to be honest I dislike most towers with large spires and it shouldn't be added to the towers total height. To me it feels like cheating a spire costs like literally nothing if you compare it with adding floors to get to the same height.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 06:43 AM   #9612
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By the way what is the height without the spire on that chmielnal!
Afaik it should be 242 meters so slightly higher than Palace of Culture with a spire (237 m).
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:14 AM   #9613
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Afaik it should be 242 meters so slightly higher than Palace of Culture with a spire (237 m).

Why would they add a 68 meter long spire?
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:35 AM   #9614
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^Well it has 4 luxury apartments + a Restaurant + a viewing platform on top. So it counts!

I don't like these crazy spires either, this includes Frankfurt's Commerzbank Tower, its kinda fake, it just shouldn't count..
But the Commerzbank Tower is like the Empire State Building.

Its antenna mast counts to the total height (Because it is a walkable reinforced concrete structure), but not the antenna itself.


The only towers in Warsaw that count for me with the total height are Palace of Culture and Science and Warsaw Spire.

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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:55 AM   #9615
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 02:26 PM   #9618
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Frankfurt has 5 Towers u/c and warsaw 3.
Well Sienna Towers are 2x130m + 86m tower.

So it's 5 to 5. And Warsaw's skyscrapers are way better quality so. Warsaw is winner.
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That's a matter of opinion.

Warsaw skyscraper are not more qualitative than Frankfurts.
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Well Sienna Towers are 2x130m + 86m tower.

So it's 5 to 5. And Warsaw's skyscrapers are way better quality so. Warsaw is winner.

Warsaw:
Generation park: 140m
Sienna towers: 2x 130m
Spark: 130m
Siena tower: 86m

Frankfurt:
Omniturm: 185m
The grand: 172m
Marienturm: 155m
Neuer henninger turn: 140m
Winx: 110m
(Towers below 100 meters aren't included)
To be honest it's clear here who the winner is.

Better quality?
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