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Old December 7th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #10221
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No way, that Warsaw will be among the top three in the next 20 years.
That's true and I'm saying it as a Varsovian. There is a lot of develepment in Warsaw but it's not nearly enough to catch up to the best skylines in Europe. Let's be honest, Warsaw still doesn't have a truly cohesive, dense skyline like in Paris and it's architectural quality can't be compared to either London or Frankfurt. Anyway I think Warsaw is top 6 and it's a really good spot. Remember that almost all top 5 cities are 10 million+ global metropolises and Frankfurt is the financial centre of continental Europe.
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The list thus remains as follows:

1. Moscow
2. Istanbul
3. Paris/La Defence
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5. Frankfurt
6 Warsaw
I agree with that list with the exception of Istanbul, poor designs and chaotic arrangement don't qualify it for the 2nd best skyline in Europe despite it's relative massiveness.
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Old December 7th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #10222
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I didn't realise that the 310m tower was U/C yet. Have they finished piling or started the basement yet?

Regarding the other post about Warsaw being in the top 3 within 5 years, I'm not so sure. The current top lot of cities are building at a considerable pace, although I still think Warsaw could rival them in some regards.
Since most of that tower is basically just a spire, it shouldn't be too hard

No way Warsaw will be in the top 3 anytime soon. Some posters just assume Warsaw is the only city currently experiencing a building boom disregarding other cities' projects, but Frankfurt and London are building even more and taller towers at the moment and I am not following Paris closely, but I assume its growing nicely (all of these cities are way ahead already anyways).

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Old December 8th, 2016, 08:02 AM   #10223
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Since most of that tower is basically just a spire, it shouldn't be too hard
It's less than 1/3 so it's still the highest building in Warsaw to the roof. Anyway for the future dick measuring you never know what will actually get built or not, there were many impressive plans before the last crisis but even in normal circumstances buildings might be shortened because of the protests etc. it's hard to have high buildings in Europe, this list for Warsaw is far from being complete btw.
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Old December 8th, 2016, 10:41 PM   #10224
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Old December 8th, 2016, 10:58 PM   #10225
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Old December 9th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #10226
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I didn't realise that the 310m tower was U/C yet. Have they finished piling or started the basement yet?
No, it's still in demo/prep work, the project received legally binding building permit only 2 weeks ago. Proper construction will begin later this month. Official reveal with final renders, Sir Foster and all the usual marketing stunts is dated for mid-January.

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Old December 9th, 2016, 05:39 AM   #10228
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London is out of range. Doesn't count.

London is Premier League and than is Ligue 1/2/3.
London is overrated.
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Old December 9th, 2016, 05:45 AM   #10229
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Old December 9th, 2016, 06:16 AM   #10230
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I like Warsaw ..

Be good to see more Italian cities .. Genoa .. Naples.. Roma !

And more of Madrid and Barcelona !

My top ten

1. London ( Chaotic yes.. but there is sometimes beauty in chaos )

2. Paris ( Needs to sort out it's pollution But la defense is sublime)

3. Frankfurt ( reminds me of Minneapolis .. it's got that mid west American feel to it .. )

4. Moscow ( It's that cluster ! ..hard to ignore.. just seems so contrived to me )

5. Warsaw ( I'm loving the way this city is growing organically ,.. so impressive )

6. Istanbul ( is this Europe ? Or Asia ? .. either way an immense skyline lacking cohesion .. it tops London for that ! )

7. Vienna ( It's over loaded with history but seems to be improving all the time and is ignored on these pages )

8. Rotterdam ( maybe this should be higher .. I don't know .. the architecture just doesn't do it for me ..awesome skyline tho )

9.Milan ( wow. Amazing how Milan has changed and is changing .. .. one for the future )

10. Madrid .( again over looked on these pages .. how can you over look Madrid ? )
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Old December 9th, 2016, 06:21 AM   #10231
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Old December 9th, 2016, 07:37 AM   #10232
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Why ?
Because it's always on people's no 1 in this type of list.If anything that tells you why London skyline is still beyond every other city
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Old December 9th, 2016, 07:48 AM   #10233
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Because it's always on people's no 1 in this type of list.If anything that tells you why London skyline is still beyond every other city
It's hard not to be on number 1 list when it builds 10 times more skyscrapers than the closest rivals.
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Old December 10th, 2016, 01:20 AM   #10234
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Why ?
There are two main clusters, if I can put it that way. If there was just one big downtown, then it would be no.1 in Europe in terms of cohesion and height.
I think the real battle for top spot is Paris and Frankfurt, with London at two or three. But this is just for the time being.
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Old December 10th, 2016, 02:02 AM   #10235
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There are two main clusters, if I can put it that way. If there was just one big downtown, then it would be no.1 in Europe in terms of cohesion and height.
I think the real battle for top spot is Paris and Frankfurt, with London at two or three. But this is just for the time being.
I agree that as of now Frankfurt and La Défense just edge the City of London and Canary Wharf. However I think this will change in 2017 when a flurry of skyscrapers start to rise in London, after what has seemed an age of prep/basement work. By this time next year I think not only will Canary Wharf match Frankfurt/La Défense, but just may well exceed them.
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Old December 10th, 2016, 02:54 AM   #10236
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Old December 10th, 2016, 04:27 AM   #10237
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However I think this will change in 2017 when a flurry of skyscrapers start to rise in London, after what has seemed an age of prep/basement work. By this time next year I think not only will Canary Wharf match Frankfurt/La Défense, but just may well exceed them.
Those tall residentials will be a game changer for CW.
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Old December 10th, 2016, 05:00 AM   #10238
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wait and see, FRA also has 6 100m+ towers u/c and will look very different in a year
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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:56 AM   #10239
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wait and see, FRA also has 6 100m+ towers u/c and will look very different in a year
Amazing, same as Manchester.
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There are two main clusters, if I can put it that way. If there was just one big downtown, then it would be no.1 in Europe in terms of cohesion and height.
I think the real battle for top spot is Paris and Frankfurt, with London at two or three. But this is just for the time being.
Still can't see the reason why.Having two main cluster suddenly makes it's skyline overrated?Cluster is not the only thing that make a skyline great.If that were the case,Asia and North America would be miles ahead of Europe.If we were to follow your definition Paris and Frankfurt cluster will be a joke if you compare to the likes of Shangai,Singapore,Chicago.

What makes Paris and other European skyline great is not the cluster,but also the blending of traditional architecture with modern buildings.Backdrop also play a role.Cluster might be a factor but it's not the definitive reason what makes a great skyline.
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