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Old August 25th, 2014, 04:49 AM   #221
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Among the firms that attended the visit to the site last August 20 and 22 where the work will be done (which is the first activity that is set in the tender) Highlights: Carso, ICA, Huawei, Thales, Alstom, Mitsubishi, Siemens, CAF, Talgo, Acciona, DLG, Teixeira Duarte and Indra.

The train should be ready to start commercial operations on November 30, 2017.

"Great international interest" because since December SCT promoted the project.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 05:23 AM   #222
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The High Speed Railway Control Centre will be integrated with the present Suburban Train Control Centre at Buenavista Station and another one will be located at Queretaro station for redundancy.
Example of HSR Control Centre in Spain.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 11:09 AM   #223
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I found new information about the train, and (as usual) come here and is already posted
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Old August 25th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #224
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Old August 26th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #225
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Obviously you had to be the "spam king"
Or I'm just a realist who has seen so many grand projects in Mexico over the years never go beyond the drawing board.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #226
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Or I'm just a realist who has seen so many grand projects in Mexico over the years never go beyond the drawing board.
about railways there have not been a single project aborted, since the suburban train, subway or even the Mexico-Toluca Intercity, all of them done or under construction.

maybe in other areas but certainly not in the railway sector.

the HSR was not economically feasible last decade, but now it is, that is why this time it went further into tendering, not only drawing board.
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Clarification meetings new dates September 1st and 8th

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Old August 27th, 2014, 12:53 AM   #228
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Local and International firms ready to participate and negotiating consortiums for bidding:

mexican:

La Peninsular
ICA
DLG
Prodemex
Carso



international:

Mota Engil (Portugal)
Thales (Canada)
CAF (Spain)
Siemens (Germany)
Talgo (Spain)
Acciona (Spain)
CRCC (China)
Alstom (France)
Mitsubishi (Japan)
Bombardier (Canada)
OHL (Spain)
Teixeira Duarte (Portugal)
Indra (Spain)
Huawei (China)

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On September 8 will be the first project meeting of the Mexico-Queretaro HSR.

The second is scheduled for the middle of that month. The presentation of the bids is set for October 15 and the resolution by the first week of November.

Among providers of the rolling stock everything points to CAF, Siemens, Bombardier and Alstom. However, there has already begun to transcend that the competitor to beat by these train manufacturers who have been following the development of Mexico for decades will be China Railway Construction Corporation. This powerful group is tied with mexicans Teya Group and GIA. It would be the first mega-infrastructure project with chinese capital.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #230
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Costs comparisson:

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I assume the source of the article above is from the CRCC's website?
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the source is the podcast from min 3:55.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 05:18 AM   #233
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Those are some REALLY odd comparisons.

Cost per km for short lines going through very dense, urban areas is of course going to be far more than for longer lines going through far less dense areas.

They should have made a comparison of costs for more similar lines.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 05:37 AM   #234
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about CRCC

In spanish:




In english:

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Those are some REALLY odd comparisons.

Cost per km for short lines going through very dense, urban areas is of course going to be far more than for longer lines going through far less dense areas.

They should have made a comparison of costs for more similar lines.
I agree although is only to give us an idea of what you said.

In any case chinese costs are way lower than any other competitor, just as an example, Alstom average €23 million per km, thats unaffordable for a country like Mexico.

After reading the tender and knowing the budget and goals of the project, I have not idea how any other consortium can beat the chinese.

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Indeed, but those are Chinese costs, in China.

Internationally the prices are much different, and in fact, there simply isn't a precedent to go by.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #238
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Mexico should take heed with the experience of other countries who took the lowball bid, namely the Philippines with the Northrail Project (cancelled) and the Turkey HSR project (numerous delays and teething problems).
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Indeed, but those are Chinese costs, in China.

Internationally the prices are much different, and in fact, there simply isn't a precedent to go by.

sure, I don't expect the same costs as in China (although mexican costs in Mexico are cheaper than in China), surely are not going to surpass the $20 million per km, will end up in something like $13-$16 million per km.

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Mexico should take heed with the experience of other countries who took the lowball bid, namely the Philippines with the Northrail Project (cancelled) and the Turkey HSR project (numerous delays and teething problems).
interesting and I agree.

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