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Old September 9th, 2014, 08:31 AM   #261
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humm, mismanagement and political prioritization, bad formula for any project.

yeah it only makes it more expensive and bureaucratic, now I see.
Same issue with -most- projects in holland as well.

When will tendering for concession for operation start?
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Old September 9th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #262
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By the way most of Turkish lines are built by Chinese. However, Chinese are just subcontractors of the local Turkish companies who won the bids claiming the lines are built by themselves. You can see Chinese railroad builders working on the catenaries etc. It is quite bad for tax payer because this approach is, obviously, increasing the price compared to direct Chinese undertaking.
Bad for the local industry too because they didn't learn much either. Ideally in a country this big you want to develop your own industry capable of building at least the infrastructure if not the rolling stock.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #263
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so we have 2 fully conformed consortiums and 2 more to officialize.

1.-CRCC, Teya group, GIA
2.-CAF, Indra Systems, IAMSA group

Alstom to lead another.
CARSO group and ICA to confirm with Bombardier or Siemens.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting.
Having strong and politically well connected Mexican partners will be paramount for which consortium wins this project. CARSO (owned by the world’s richest man Carlos Slim) and ICA (there’s hardly any major public works in Mexico where they are not involved) are as well backed and politically connected as they come in Mexico. If those 2 are together with a major railway producing partner like Siemens or Bombardier, they will be very tough to beat.

Having said that, the recent major issues with the newest metro line 12 in Mexico might count against them. Both ICA and CARSO were involved in that project (with ALSTOM btw).

I think Bombardier, which already has a lot of industrial facilities in Mexico can mount a strong, well locally anchored bid too.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #264
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Same issue with -most- projects in holland as well.

When will tendering for concession for operation start?
For the Mexico-Queretaro HSR is the same tender, is a turnkey contract, so the potential operators are integrated in the consortiums to build it. In the case of the Mexico-Toluca Intercity we will have a winner for the operation by October, the civil works were already tendered and are under construction.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #265
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Having said that, the recent major issues with the newest metro line 12 in Mexico might count against them. Both ICA and CARSO were involved in that project (with ALSTOM btw). I think Bombardier, which already has a lot of industrial facilities in Mexico can mount a strong, well locally anchored bid too.
Today the result of the investigation determined that neither ICA, CARSO or Alstom have any involvement and the main responsible, the director of the project was disabled for 20 years.
It was a political prioritization which resulted in mismanagement, exactly as we were talking about.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #266
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Studies for the 2nd stage already done, the extension to Celaya, Irapuato, Guadalajara and Leon.

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1st stage to begin construction this December said Pablo Suarez Coello, Director of Railway and Multimodal Transportation Subsecretariat DGTFM.

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Old September 11th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #268
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36 months for construction, 4 months for testing before commercial operation.
The first 5 years of commercial operation there will be transfer of technology and mixed operation between government and winner consortium, after that period the concession will be 100% effective.
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Great. That way it won't be necessary to transport a train or wagon to the place where it was made for repairs and maintenance.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #270
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Any updates as to what type of fleet will be used?
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Old September 12th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #271
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until November we will know the rolling stock
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Will keep my eyes and ears open as this progresses....
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The Secretariat of Communications and Transport SCT announced today that in the first 5 years of public operation the fee for a single travel at the MQ HSR will be U$12 instead of the U$19 contemplated at the beginning.

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Last friday September 12th was the third and final clarification meeting of the tender of the MQ HSR. The SCT, who commands Gerardo Ruiz Esparza, completed the process despite some disagreements concerned requesting that the process be extended to 240 days from the basis of 180 days. However, the receipt of bids is maintained for October 15th.

In advance the provider of rolling stock that is outlined with ICA, which handles Alonso Quintana, is the German Siemens, while Carso of Carlos Slim discusses to join with the french Alstom, confirming the dissolution of the team that built the Metro Line 12 in Mexico City. Meanwhile, Bombardier, directed by Alfredo Nolasco negotiates with IAMSA.
we have 5 consortiums:

1.-CRCC, Teya group, GIA
2.-CAF, Indra Systems
3.-Siemens, ICA
4.-Bombardier, IAMSA group
5.-Alstom, CARSO


so finally IAMSA is not with the spanish.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 09:24 AM   #276
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This isn't news about the high speed rail, but it is the railway system I'd like to see in Mexico in the future.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...w.k1b3Sk2lUUpk

What do you think about it?

Sorry if it is a bit off-topic.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #277
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The most important step is to build this HSR firstly, if so I see huge feasibility to develope regional networks only in areas like the Bajio, to Guadalajara, Toluca-Morelia, Mex-Puebla and the Yucatan Peninsula network. I dont find HSR competitive with airplane on longer distances like MX-Monterrey, but regional HSR from Mexicali-Tijuana-San Diego or Monterrey-San Antonio are very feasible. In the long term if the country grows faster and new markets develope who knows, maybe in 10 years we are discussing a Transbaja HSR. The other parts of the country don't reach the market size, nor the distances and the geography makes it expensive for today standards.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #278
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we have 5 consortiums:

1.-CRCC, Teya group, GIA
2.-CAF, Indra Systems
3.-Siemens, ICA
4.-Bombardier, IAMSA group
5.-Alstom, CARSO


so finally IAMSA is not with the spanish.
I assume CARSO has the most strong political cloud?
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CARSO and ICA have had strong political support traditionally, but Teya group is one of present government's favorites recent years. I see the chinese, spanish and german consortiums the stronger ones.
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The Secretariat of Communications and Transport SCT announced today that in the first 5 years of public operation the fee for a single travel at the MQ HSR will be U$12 instead of the U$19 contemplated at the beginning.
That's about MXN$100 cheaper than many bus services.
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