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Old September 17th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #281
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That's about MXN$100 cheaper than many bus services.
indeed is MXN$160 a little less than foreign bus service, thats the idea, but surely is a fee for the first 5 years of operation only.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:19 AM   #282
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info, we have 5 consortiums:

1.-CRCC, Teya group, GIA
2.-CAF, Indra Systems
3.-Siemens, ICA
4.-Bombardier, IAMSA group
5.-Alstom, CARSO

so finally IAMSA is not with the spanish.
Thanks for the info!

At high speed, to my knowledge, Indra was in charge of ERTMS in Turkey and Arabia, the latter is also responsible for communications, tickets and security.

CAF submit to Oaris result of AVI 2015 project. This train, currently in testing, will form the 105 series Renfe. Has 4/6/8 engines cars has a power of 5,280 / 7,920 / 10,560 kW and an operating speed of 320 km / h. The Oaris version of four engines has 215 seats and 101.12 meters.



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I dedicated thread SSC in Spanish.
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En alta velocidad, que yo sepa, Indra se ha encargado del ERTMS en Turquía y en Arabia, en esta última además se encarga de las comunicaciones, los billetes y la seguridad.
CAF presentará al Oaris resultado del proyecto AVI 2015. Este tren, actualmente en pruebas, formará la serie 105 de Renfe. Tiene 4/6/8 motores con una potencia de 5.280/7.920/10.560 kW y una velocidad operativa de 320 km/h. El de 4 motores tiene 215 plazas y 101,12 metros.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #283
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thanks a lot! great brochure I personally love that trainset (8 engines), I hope the spanish bid contemplates this.

btw the construction firm that is going to integrate the spanish team will be OHL, so I see this consortium very strong competitor.


Indra and Thales are my best bets for the ERTMS implementation.


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Investors from Japan, China, Netherlands, France and Spain visits Queretaro in order to analyze the site and their consortium's participation.

Local construction managers are already overseas under capacitation in matter of high speed railways and maintenance.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #285
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Old September 20th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #286
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Confirmed by SCT, the Transpeninsular HST (TT) will include Playa del Carmen and Cancun in the new route. In the next days the project will be presented to SCT in order to obtain a register at the finance ministry. The TT will go into tender at the begining of 2015
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Old September 20th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #287
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Funny, a lot of the routes I took with ADO buses years ago are now becoming HSL's.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #288
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I'm a bit confused as to how many routes are in the pipeline. Can you do a Side by Side comparison and analysis for us to view?

Routes?
Cost?
Length?
Builder?
Fleet?
Speed MPH?


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Old September 22nd, 2014, 05:53 PM   #289
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I'm a bit confused as to how many routes are in the pipeline. Can you do a Side by Side comparison and analysis for us to view?

Routes?
Cost?
Length?
Builder?
Fleet?
Speed MPH?


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About the Transpeninsular Train, the new route (336km) does not contemplate Punta Venado anymore, but a new station in Playa del Carmen and then a terminal in Cancun. In the 1st stage the line will be updated for speeds up to 250km/h but not electrified, so there will use 180km/h max speed diesel trains, in the 2nd stage it will be conditioned for over 200km/h EMUs.

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It can be very interesting to Talgo and its dual (hybrid) train 730 series. Is there really news about Talgo in Mexico?.

The train can operate on diesel traction until the line are electrified and thereafter can communicate the main line with other neighboring lines not electrified. You can also remove the CET (Extreme Car Technician) and get a HST: 130 series in Spain. Here is the reverse process performed.

In diesel are limited to 180 km/h by a weight problem, but in Spain are dual voltage and variable width, which would not be needed in Mexico. It would also be a new project, no amendment. It will be interesting to see how the dual VIP train to King Abdullah of Arabia within the Haramain project.

Scheme diagram S-730 electric and diesel, and access to Thread about the train (in Spanish).
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Puede ser muy interesante para Talgo y su tren dual (híbrido) serie 730.
El tren puede operar con tracción diesel hasta que se electrifique la línea y a partir de entonces puede comunicar la línea principal con otras líneas contiguas no electrificadas. También se pueden quitar los CET (Coche Extremo Técnico) y conseguir un HST: en España el serie 130. Aquí se realizó el proceso inverso: 15 trenes serie 130 están siendo modificados para ser serie 730.
En diesel están limitados a 180 km/h por un problema de peso, pero en España son bitensión y de ancho variable, lo que no sería necesario en México. Además sería un proyecto nuevo, no una modificación. Será muy interesante ver cómo será el tren VIP dual para el Rey Abdullah de Arabia.
Esquema eléctrico y diesel del S-730, y acceso al Hilo sobre el tren (en español).
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wonderful information Gusiluz! indeed as far as we know Talgo is one of the firms participating at the MQ HSR tender, but is not confirmed if belongs to the main spanish consortium, although I guess it would, conforming a very similar team as in the Haramain project.

undoubtly Talgo is the best option for the TT HST, precisely because they produces the s730 which in my opinion is perfect for this project.

and as you said, we would need some kind of new design for the conversion into a s130(mexican version) for the further stages of the TT.

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Not at all.
Talgo's new platform, the AVRIL also allows dual trains.

More details about CET (in spanish).
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Not at all.
Talgo's new platform, the AVRIL also allows dual trains.

More details about CET (in spanish).
will the AVRIL allow hybrid? because after reading the s730 is one of the fastest at curves right now, making it even better for the geometry of the TT.
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AVRIL is a platform's, a family of trains, can be ordered diesel, dual (hybrid), dual voltage, variable width, with 2 + 3 seats in UIC gauge (why is explained here in spanish) and pendular (natural body tilt in curves). The only thing is that when pendular can not be 2 + 3 seating.
In practice, an order could be a AVRIL pendular and dual (hybrid), for example.
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AVRIL es una plateforma, una familia de trenes, se puede encargar diesel, dual (híbrido), bitensión, con ancho variable, con asientos 2+3 en gálibo UIC (el por qué está explicado aquí, en español) y pendular (inclinación natural de la caja en curvas). Lo único es que si es pendular no puede ser de asientos 2+3.
En la práctica, un encargo podría ser un AVRIL pendular y dual (híbrido), por ejemplo.
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About the Transpeninsular Train, the new route (336km) does not contemplate Punta Venado anymore, but a new station in Playa del Carmen and then a terminal in Cancun. In the 1st stage the line will be updated for speeds up to 250km/h but not electrified, so there will use 180km/h max speed diesel trains, in the 2nd stage it will be conditioned for over 200km/h EMUs.


Good info sir....

Now just to understand so i can be on the same page. This is not a bullet train and will never be, correct?

Nonetheless a train is better than no train!!!!
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Good info sir....

Now just to understand so i can be on the same page. This is not a bullet train and will never be, correct?

Nonetheless a train is better than no train!!!!
it could fit into the definition of a High Speed Train once the line becomes electrified, with the use of hybrid trains like the Talgo s730 and that is the plan.

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It seems to me that the Transpeninsular Train will be a great addition for the Yucatan Peninsula with the growing tourism and the Energy reform that will bring investments to that area.
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I really hope they're serious about extending the TP all the way to Campeche in the 2nd stage. Campeche is easily one of the most underrated of Mexico's old colonial cities but remains kind of off the beaten track due to it's relative remoteness transportationwise.
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