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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:25 AM   #341
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"The bidding rules for the project were published on July 25, the secretariat said, adding that the high-speed train would be part of an integrated transportation system designed to link the capital with the Bajio region in central Mexico.

The winning bidder will be required to sign a joint public works contract covering the design, construction, supply and operations of the project, the secretariat said.

The official international call for bids will take place on Aug. 15 and will be open to all firms interested in constructing the system."




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Structure: Aluminum
Max speed: 350 km/h
Seats: 404/405 per unit
Total power on wheels: >8.000 kW
Breaking: regenerative, rheostat and pneumatic
Braking distance (320 to 0 km/h): 3900m
Acceleration (0 to 320 km/h): <400s
Signaling systems: ERTMS 1&2, ASFA
Total length of the train: 200m
Width: 2.950m
Height: 3.890m

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Structure: Aluminum
Max speed: 350km/h
Seats 556
Total power on wheels: 8.800 kW
Total length of the train: 200m
Width: 3.265m
Height: 3.890m
Track gauge 1.435m
Built by CNR Tangshan Railway Vehicle with some components from Germany

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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:44 AM   #342
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SCT ruled out the applications that Alstom and Bombardier requested in order to delay the bid of the MQ HSR up to 200 more days, and at the same time reaffirmed the importance of complying with the terms of the contest.

Therefore, there will be no going back on the construction of the High Speed Train Mexico-Queretaro, which is the first project of its kind to be built in Latin America, so it must start operations in 2017.

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President Peña is very upset.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:22 AM   #343
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What does this all mean? I am confused. And why would President Pena be upset about this? Please explain.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:33 AM   #344
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I am hoping for CAF to win the bid, it's good to have an underdog snapping at the heels of the big 3 and Chinese to keep them on their toes. As for China, I wonder that if they win the bid, that this will open possibilites of copyright (?) violations, as their designs are derivatives of Big 3 and Kawasaki high speed designs- typically technology transfer agreements include a clause that prohibits selling of such transfered technology to export markets. Should the Chinese go ahead, and I believe they will as it is their M.O., will those makers sit on their hands for fear of losing future business to the Chinese?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:48 AM   #345
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What does this all mean? I am confused. And why would President Pena be upset about this? Please explain.
In the link is explained in spanish but basically because Alstom has been making irresponsible declarations and requesting with insistence more time without giving technical explanations of why. The main problem with Alstom is that they built the Mexico City Metro Line 12 that was inaugurated in 2012 and as for today the line is not working, have had several problems and will be repaired by the end of 2015! it is a huge scandal here and Alstom have been more interested on doing politics than on getting ready to compete. They have even menaced on abandoning Mexico if they dont win the HSR, pff!

Personally Im dissapointed of Bombardier who is taking the place of a victim because of chinese participation. If there was a company that has been invited to this project since years ago is Bombardier, but never moved a finger to get ready, although they always said there had everything ready.

There are more open tenders, like the Mexico-Toluca Intercity, and the chinese are not allowed to participate there because is only for the countries with free trade agreements with Mexico. I hope Bombardier take seriously this tender and stop saying "Esta en Chino".
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #346
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but why Japan never presented a consortium to compete for this project?
I have seen no mention of this project in the domestic press here. Perhaps the terms are not attractive, they see something fishy with the process, or as you mention, and probably the most likely, the Japanese firms are in the Western hemisphere concentrating on the U.S. market such as the CA HSR project (JR East + Kawasaki) and Texas (the private Texas Central Rlwy project backed by JR Central and its subsidiary Nippon Sharyo). The other big trainmaker, Hitachi Rail, is concentrating on Europe and especially the challenging UK IEP programme.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:05 AM   #348
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I have seen no mention of this project in the domestic press here. Perhaps the terms are not attractive, they see something fishy with the process, or as you mention, and probably the most likely, the Japanese firms are in the Western hemisphere concentrating on the U.S. market such as the CA HSR project (JR East + Kawasaki) and Texas (the private Texas Central Rlwy project backed by JR Central and its subsidiary Nippon Sharyo). The other big trainmaker, Hitachi Rail, is concentrating on Europe and especially the challenging UK IEP programme.
personally I am glad that Japan will get the California HSR, the only problem will be interoperability with future cross border initiatives

btw prince and princess Akishino arrived Mexico City today, seems there will be business after all

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I live in Los Angeles California, and the sad thing is I'll have a bigger chance to see a high speed rail before my eyes in Mexico than here. I believe it is the year 2029 when the California high speed rail will be up and running. :/
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:52 AM   #350
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Is China bidding with CRH380A or CRH380C?
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Whats the difference with A & C?????
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Old October 7th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #353
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Signaling systems: ERTMS 1&2, ASFA...
Why have to carry the Spanish backup system ASFA?
Not me angry, is that surprises me.

Indeed, a little nuance, I think it is more correct to write "ETCS 1" / 2, the explanation (in Spanish) here:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETCS
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERTMS

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The CRH380A is manufactured by CSR Sifang and derived from CRH2A, derived from Kawasaki E2.
The CRH380C is manufactured by CNR Changchun, derived from CRH380B, derived from CRH3C (Velaro CN), but no longer participates Siemens if not Hitachi.
More (with pictures, but in spanish):
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_V...iaria_en_China
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It is a shame. I really expected a duel between the Bombardier Zefiro and the Alstom AGV. If there's no chance for the shinkansen to be selected (as Elektro said before), my only hope is that Siemens wins the bid.





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Why have to carry the Spanish backup system ASFA?
Not me angry, is that surprises me.
thanks Gusiluz, I suppose that they mean ASFA or equivalent
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It is a shame. I really expected a duel between the Bombardier Zefiro and the Alstom AGV. If there's no chance for the shinkansen to be selected (as Elektro said before), my only hope is that Siemens wins the bid.
indeed Siemens still has something to say

about Shinkansen, lets be honest, Mexico cant afford such a system, in California the project is around $80million/km

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personally I am glad that Japan will get the California HSR, the only problem will be interoperability with future cross border initiatives
Why would there be any issue?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #358
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The first train itself is the Zefiro 380.

The second photo is of a train could not move from the model, and that was in 2010.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/p...in-family.html

I think it is the germ of what they wanted to call "le TGV du futur" and still not have a body, although he has had several.

The AGV, pretty ugly, is this:
https://www.google.es/images?q=alsto...isch&oq=&gs_l=

And the third is the ICE 3, which was still involved ADtranz, now part of Bombardier.
Are now presenting is the Velaro D:
https://www.google.es/images?q=sieme...g&ved=0CBQQsAQ
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It is a shame. I really expected a duel between the Bombardier Zefiro and the Alstom AGV. If there's no chance for the shinkansen to be selected (as Elektro said before), my only hope is that Siemens wins the bid.





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I agree, the AGV is ugly. The bombardier's looks awesome.
The velaro looks good too. Maybe not soo cool as the zefiro, but i really like it too.
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Why would there be any issue?
whatever system we choose in Mexico, the gauge and the tension will be compatible with the N700 of California, but safety systems wont and if in Texas they choose Shinkansen also in an eventual cross border with Monterrey, the mexican part should choose japanese technology too, making it uncompatible with the rest of Mexico's network.
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