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Old November 19th, 2005, 05:58 AM   #21
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This should be a wake up call to the states to start investing money in rail instead of freeways.
Mexico Overtakes The US

The sixty-year successful campaign of the car, highway-building and airline industries against public transport in the USA, so far, also succeeded in stopping every high-speed rail project. IIRC Bush's election as governor killed the Texas Triangle, his younger brother in Florida succeeded to castrate the high-speed project written into the Florida constitution; and Arnold Schwarzenegger recently made noises about tossing California's well-advanced plans.

Meanwhile, even under the leadership of a Big Business President (Vincente Fox), Mexico has kicked off a high-speed project - nearing the tendering stage (via US pro-rail e-zine Destination:Freedom):


In a move to jump-start high-speed rail in Mexico, the country’s Ministry of Communications and Transport (SCT) has appointed SYSTRA to help draw up tender agreement terms for a turnkey project connecting Mexico City and Guadalajara, according to Railway Age.

Slated to run at speeds of 186 mph, the rail operation will cut travel time to two hours and serve some 28 million passengers. It also will link up with the cities of Queretaro and Irapuato. According to SYSTRA, the tender is scheduled for launch by mid-year.

In the project’s second phase, SYSTRA will help SCT draw up the contacts and deed of concession, which will be awarded to a firm responsible for the design, construction, and operation of a double-track line. Two Mexican companies are supporting SYSTRA in its work – one for legal aspects and the other for technical assistance.

The Mexican federal government reportedly has been in the developmental stages of high-speed rail since 2002.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 06:05 AM   #22
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Mexico needs one of these bullet trains to travel between Mexico City and either Toluca or Puebla's airport, because Mexico City's airport has reached its limit a long time ago and has no room to expand.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 06:08 AM   #23
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No this is not a proposal. Bidding is already in place and has as you can read has been announced. The bidding is being handled by a French concern.

Neither Florida nor California have concrete plans for high speed trains, The reason there is no money for US projects which is currently being funneled to fund expensive foolish wars and not spent in people or infrastructure.

It is a matter of priorities.

12 Billion Dollars is not much for an economy the size of Mexico's, and it makes more sense in it's highly urbanized and developed urban corridors.

Orlando and Tampa are set in steamy swamps in the backwaters of the
south. In any case their inhabitants prefer gas guzzeling SUV's.
I dont know about california but florida was ready to build its rail too routes, stations, costs, etc were planned out and construction was supposed to start, but they rejected it because of not enough money.

More money is spent handling infrastructure than foolish wars, here in florida we are growing so fast we need to constantly update, widen, or build new roads, schools and many other things. That costs alot of money to keep doing that over and over and yes it is a matter of priorities it makes more sense since people here will use cars in their own city than use a train to go to a city almost 200 miles away even though some day it would connect all the major metros in florida that some people might commute from but the majority need urban roads to be better.

Of course your being ignorant saying that people in the south all drive gas guzzling SUV's my city and many others are proposing/building light rail in the cities and Orlando and most of Tampa arent swamp. Also with mexico making $12 billion a year, didnt you say bidding will begin which means a private investor will pay the bill and not to forget their currency is worth less than the dollar and of course cheap labor will all be positive factors to the building of this train which the USA doesnt have those advantages.

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The sixty-year successful campaign of the car, highway-building and airline industries against public transport in the USA, so far, also succeeded in stopping every high-speed rail project. IIRC Bush's election as governor killed the Texas Triangle, his younger brother in Florida succeeded to castrate the high-speed project written into the Florida constitution.
Actually Florida's rail project has been brought back into consideration again and they are working on funding issues.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 06:13 AM   #24
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You have no clue do you?

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Old November 19th, 2005, 07:36 AM   #25
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RELAX, It's a "term of endearment" I just hate your president and the caos and hell that he has created on the common people of Irak.

With all of the great institutions and think tanks in the US ...the only fool you can come up with to lead the free world was this simpleton?

I am so pisssed off at the American electorate for being so naive about the world around them.

Remember ... Bush impacts the world.... Oaxaca, Timbuctu, Naitrobi Madras and not just Peoria. This naive, mumbling village fool is at the helm!

GOD couldn't you have done better?

Anyway back to trains.
Don't worry, the populace of America is growing weary of open borders, free trade and foreign entanglements. You can look forward to a more nationalist America in the future that avoids going abroad in search of monsters to destroy. An America that worries about its own border rather than that of South Korea. An America that invests the fortune lavished upon defending the supply of oil from the Middle East instead towards gaining American energy independence.

To paraphrase Shintaro Ishihara, "An America that can say No." An America weary of having spent trillions of dollars defending European socialists from communism. An America that rejects the internationalism of Dubya and Kerry for the economic nationalism of Washington and Lincoln. An America that would rather spend money on its own infrastructure than squander it upon sewers in Cairo.

I myself look forward to that time. I would guess that quite a few of those whine about America will also whine when America does go home. I wonder if Europe will be able to afford the lavish cradle to grave social programs they cherish when Uncle Shylock no longer foots the tab for securing their trade routes.

On to railways, the US should develop a "Steel Interstate" to compliment the Interstate Highways. Such a program was outlined 50 years ago by John W. Barriger, a far better use for taxpayer dollars that the schemes that Bush and Bono dream up to squander the US taxpayers dollars.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 08:12 AM   #26
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Nobody asked the US to go around and shove "democracy " down people's throats.

Don't think that American intenations are always good. You are not a victim you are a perpetuator.

MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS!!

If the populance of "America" is so fed up why haven't they yanked that fool out of office and made him accountable for the foolish mess he's gotten the world in?

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Old November 19th, 2005, 08:35 AM   #27
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Well this is great news!
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Old November 19th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #28
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Sorry for all train buffs on this site but I am so angry at The US president and the thick headed "American" people that voted for him.

Every day now all I hear is 70 or 90 Iraquies killed in bomb blast. Children that will grow up traumatized and without fathers. All in the name of bull crap patriotic garbage that is fed to the "American" people by FOX/CNN and other sanitized packaged media.

When will the madness stop?

I need to get laid!

URRRRRRR

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Old November 19th, 2005, 11:00 AM   #29
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So does the Windsor to Québec city corridor in Canada. I think a more accurate title would First Bullet Train in Mexico to be Built domestically.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 04:17 PM   #30
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I'm quite surprised that Mexico is building HST lines. Mayble the reset of Central and South American will follow Mexico's lead in trains.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 05:15 PM   #31
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The western hemisphere is the americas and the eastern hemisphere is eurasia/africa/australia.
Western hemisphere is everything west of the Greenich meridian line. I.E. 0 degrees latitude (or longatude, I can't remember which one is which).
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Old November 19th, 2005, 06:01 PM   #32
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You are right Crazyeville. and it's Longtitude.

The Windsor- Quebec line is high speed?

Brazil is also planning one from Brasilia to Goianas ( a provincial city). But who lnows if it will get past the planning stage. I 'd like to see one between Rio and Sao Paulo and Curitiba.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 06:09 PM   #33
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So does the Windsor to Québec city corridor in Canada. I think a more accurate title would First Bullet Train in Mexico to be Built domestically.

No,the Windsor - Quebec line is not a high speed line.
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I know it's not, but I'm saying there are plans for HSR on again between Windsor and QC.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 10:17 PM   #35
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Nobody asked the US to go around and shove "democracy " down people's throats.

Don't think that American intenations are always good. You are not a victim you are a perpetuator.

MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS!!

If the populance of "America" is so fed up why haven't they yanked that fool out of office and made him accountable for the foolish mess he's gotten the world in?
I hope you were just as outraged when the previous "fool" murdered 2000 Serbs back in 1999. Last years election offered the choice of a turd sandwich and a giant douche, I'm happy to say I voted for neither.

The biggest victim of Americas internationalist elites is the American wage earner. They export our industry via free trade and import the third world to drive down our wages. The fifteen billion dollars that the current fool is flushing away on AIDS in Africa could be better spent on our infrastructure.

P.S. I notice that you do not specify your own nationality. Judging by your grammar and spelling it seems safe to assume that English is not your mother tongue?

Anyway, back to rail. This would be of more benefit to America than the Iraq war: http://www.railspot.com/txarp/interstii.htm
Iraqis seemed to have the government they deserved when Saddam was in power!
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P.S. I notice that you do not specify your own nationality. Judging by your grammar and spelling it seems safe to assume that English is not your mother tongue?

I believe he's mexican
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Old November 19th, 2005, 10:35 PM   #37
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The Canadians developed a high speed train some years ago, the acronym was LRC IIRC. It might have been tilting but was diesel powered. May have been like a cross between the British HST and the Swedish X2000. I gather it was not too successful.

Amtrak actually brought over an X2000 in the early nineties for trials, also and ICE from Germany. The X2000 gave good showing, but Amtrak proceeded to order the Acela based on the TGV but with tilting! The whole idea had been to evaluate foreign designs and buy something off the shelf.

Amtrak had tried a French locomotive in the seventies and rejected it, and found a Swedish design to be much better. X2000 would have been a better choice over here along with widescale railway electrification, doubletracking, signaling and some grade separation. A more nationalistic America will invest money at home doing such things rather that flushing it away on foreign entanglements. I look forward to the day of "Yankee come home."
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Sorry for all train buffs on this site but I am so angry at The US president and the thick headed "American" people that voted for him.

Every day now all I hear is 70 or 90 Iraquies killed in bomb blast. Children that will grow up traumatized and without fathers. All in the name of bull crap patriotic garbage that is fed to the "American" people by FOX/CNN and other sanitized packaged media.

When will the madness stop?

I need to get laid!

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I thought this thread was about trains and not the American people. And not all of us voted for Bush. Actually majority of Americans didn't even vote,
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LOL..I have to laugh at this statement. Were the two in a race? Has Mexico "won" anything? This shows more any sense of an inferiority complex you may have then anything of any substance.

Once Americans flock to Mexico for a better way of life instead of the other way around I will be impressed. You encourage millions of the poorest Mexicans that Mexico can't take care of and then somehow claim some sort of "win" or superiority. Pathetic if you ask me.
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This was from an "American" blog urging the US to invest in rail.

As far as the fool questioning my educational background and worried about the stinness of US foreign Aid. The money destined for AIDS was actually blocked by religious fanatics in your country that were opposed to the use of condoms.

The US only doles out a meager foreign aid when it suits it's political interest.
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