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Old October 15th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #421
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Well, it is confirmed.

The Chinese Company CRCC will build the very first High Speed Rail System in the Americas.

Since the Mexico - Querétaro is the first phase of a much broader High Speed network, it was a HUGE mistake by Alstom, Bombardier and Siemens not to push it further.

I wonder.......What will the USA think of the Chinese financing Mexico´s strategic infrastructure projects?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #422
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No bid from Siemens/ICA? Well it seems everyone got afraid of the capital and political support behind the Chinese bid.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #423
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Congratulations to Mexico (America's first HSR) the beginning of extensive HSR network.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #424
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The delivery of bids has started, everything in order.

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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:15 PM   #425
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12 trainsets of 8 cars each one of CRH380A
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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:29 PM   #426
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Amazing news! I hope this will also be a great push for HSR projects north of the border!
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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #427
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Amazing news! I hope this will also be a great push for HSR projects north of the border!
I'm pretty sure that after this, there is not other destiny for the California and Texas HSR than to be built or, to be built.


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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:36 PM   #428
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the act of presentation of bids has been declared and signed by Pablo Suarez, Director of Railway and Multimodal Transportation.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #429
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I find it interesting that the Chinese formed a consortium with 3 Mexican construction companies (Prodemex, Teya and GIA). It will be a massive boost for them to get some of the line building expertise that the Chinese have accumulated.
CA and Carso will miss out on building the first high speed rail line of the Americas.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #430
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I find it interesting that the Chinese formed a consortium with 3 Mexican construction companies (Prodemex, Teya and GIA). It will be a massive boost for them to get some of the line building expertise that the Chinese have accumulated.
CA and Carso will miss out on building the first high speed rail line of the Americas.
as you say, the expertise they will achieve building high speed lines, there wont be in the whole America's other companies with such experience, that is "technology transfer" also.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #431
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So, it's final? No more proposals?

I expected for Siemens's proposal (maybe the transpeninsular train next year?). Velaro's interiors are much prettier than the chinese ones.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #432
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$3.8 billions the proposal of China Railway Construction Corporation Limited, China Railway Construction International, China Railway Construction Mexico, GIA+A, CSR Corporation, Prodemex, GHP Infrastructure & Teya Construction
MQ HSR: $18 million/km
California HSR: $80 million/km
Japan Maglev: $300 million/km



a bit over my expectative of $16 million/km but very affordable, 16% over the estimated price in the tender, nothing out of the norm.

in 2004 the feasibility study for the Mexico-Guadalajara HSR estimated $12 billions, around $20 million/km at 2002 prices.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #433
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Is that price just for building the line or includes also rolling stock? If the former then Chinese are not offering something amazingly cheap. About 25% cheaper per kilometre than in comparable geography in Spain/France and that makes sense considering cheaper labor and lower land prices in Mexico.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #434
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I wonder.......What will the USA think of the Chinese financing Mexico´s strategic infrastructure projects?

What lol? The Chinese are not financing anything. They are just selling their trains.
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So, it's final? No more proposals?

I expected for Siemens's proposal (maybe the transpeninsular train next year?). Velaro's interiors are much prettier than the chinese ones.
From what I've read, I don't think the Transpeninsular will be a high speed train like the Mexico-Queretaro one. So it's unlikely that the Velaro would be selected.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #436
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Is that price just for building the line or includes also rolling stock? If the former then Chinese are not offering something amazingly cheap. About 25% cheaper per kilometre than in comparable geography in Spain/France and that makes sense considering cheaper labor and lower land prices in Mexico.
includes everything, all.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #437
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What lol? The Chinese are not financing anything. They are just selling their trains.
we dont know yet the financial proposal that was already delivered to SCT today, but indeed this project didnt requested any kind of financial.

3 chinese banks are going to finance part of the project but we dont know yet in what proportion.

this is very cheap for a HSR.


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China Development Bank, the Bank of China and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China will participate in a fund with mexican counterparts to finance the MQ HSR
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #438
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In that case it's pretty cheap albeit then it's kind of nonsensical to express the price in millions per kilometre. How many trains will be bought?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #439
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From what I've read, I don't think the Transpeninsular will be a high speed train like the Mexico-Queretaro one. So it's unlikely that the Velaro would be selected.
it will be a High Speed Train but only between 180km/h to 240km/h so yeah, the Velaro is not an option.

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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #440
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In that case it's pretty cheap albeit then it's kind of nonsensical to express the price in millions per kilometre. How many trains will be bought?
12 trains CRH380A

it includes also the operation and maintenance for 5 years by this consortium.

is really cheap.

this is what happens when you put together 2 competitive manufacturing world powers as China and Mexico
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