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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #441
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for the mexicans to have an idea:

Metro Line 12: $72 million/km
Guadalajara Line 3: $64 million/km
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #442
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If you were to build this high speed line entirely in a tunnel (like metro) the cost would be triple at least.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #443
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If you were to build this high speed line entirely in a tunnel (like metro) the cost would be triple at least.
i know right, is only for my fellows to have an idea and the Guadalajara Line 3 is elevated
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #444
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Well this is the price before starting the works. They might have some surprises along the route...In the end we will see what will be the real price. But even if they get 4,5-5 bn $ is still very cheap...
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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #445
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And keep in mind that in a later stage they want to move the station in Queretaro to a central area of the city. Those few km won't come cheap considering the urban environment...
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Old October 16th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #446
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There have been cases elsewhere, usually involving either complicated tunnelling or massive corruption, where the final price of an infrastructure project was triple or quadruple of what was initially promised. Hopefully not the case here.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #447
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And keep in mind that in a later stage they want to move the station in Queretaro to a central area of the city. Those few km won't come cheap considering the urban environment...
thats right but by then is probable that Mexico be economically better than today, at least thats the plan.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #448
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So my question is when does the construction begin?

When do we get the fleet deliver?

Is there an official website for the project?

What is the official name of the train corridor?

When does the chief and commander of the republic making it official?
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Old October 16th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #449
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when does the construction begin? the execution of the contract begins February 1st 2015 but the consortium can start operations the day after the signature of the contract.

When do we get the fleet deliver? dont know yet

Is there an official website for the project? probably in December

What is the official name of the train corridor? Mexico-Queretaro High Speed Rail .. a brand name? dont know yet.

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Old October 16th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #450
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What will be the model of the train? Speed?
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Old October 16th, 2014, 02:28 AM   #451
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I hope the other bidders don't give up yet. Mexican government hasn't announced a winner. If the chinese proposal don't match the mexican requirements, they could start a new process. That would give some time to the other companies to prepare their proposals.

http://www.cnnexpansion.com/economia...exicoqueretaro
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Old October 16th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #452
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what is the speed?a 250km/h is much cheaper than 350km/h line.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 04:21 AM   #453
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What will be the model of the train? Speed?
CRH380A, commercial speed in Mexico 300km/h.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #454
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So guys, with China and consortium winning the bid, HSR comes to USA's border ? With this, will California and Texas also start on HSR? Too delicious an irony to imagine HSR on the border of the USA.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:57 AM   #455
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So guys, with China and consortium winning the bid, HSR comes to USA's border ? With this, will California and Texas also start on HSR? Too delicious an irony to imagine HSR on the border of the USA.
There was actually a project going on that wanted to connect Dallas with Monterrey i think; so it isn't far from happening. That project is also fairly recent, probably within the last 6 months.
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CRH380A, commercial speed in Mexico 300km/h.
If the average speed of this train in China is 380 k/h, why in Mexico can not be like that too?
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I guess it's because there's so few experience with high speed trains in our countries that they are conservative. Like a boy with his new car. He has to feel confident driving it at regular speeds before he can run it at full throttle.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 10:44 AM   #458
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for the distance no more than 300KM,250KM/H and 300KM/H train almost take the same time.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 11:07 AM   #459
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Here I found some information on the subject (in spanish).
The 59,000 M pesos are the entire contract, including trains, so you can not talk about cost per km.
The CRH380A trains were designed and approved to run at 380 km/h on the Beijing-Shanghai line, but the change of minister of railways and the consequent change in policy rates and prices now makes all Chinese trains ready for 300 or more moving only 300 km/h (with a small margin to 310).
Although Mexico has no experience in HS, is no reason to put a speed or another, either USA or Arabia, where the trains will run at 300 km/h.
According to information gathered so far, the line will be built for 300 km/h, and 12 trains CRH380A be made to the same speed, which means they will be able to run at 330 km/h in order to be approved 300. Commuting time scheduled for 212.18 km is 59 minutes, which means an average speed of 216 km/h, already wanted in Korea (best time: 193), Turkey (204), Italy (207), or the main relations of Germany (Frankfurt-Cologne: 171) or Taiwan; not to mention USA: 169.5 km/h on average between Baltimore and Wilmington, 123 in New York-Washington-Boston and 105 in New York.
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Aquí encontré algo de información sobre el tema.
Los 59.000 M de pesos son por todo el contrato, incluyendo los trenes, así que no se puede hablar de coste por km.
Los trenes CRH380A fueron diseñados y homologados para circular a 380 km/h en la línea Beijing-Shanghai, pero el cambio de ministro de ferrocarriles y el consiguiente cambio en la política de velocidades y precios hace que ahora todos los trenes chinos preparados para 300 o más circulen solo a 300 km/h (con un pequeño margen hasta 310).
Aunque Mexico no tenga experiencia en HS, no es motivo para poner una velocidad u otra, USA tampoco, ni Arabia, y allí los trenes circularán a 300 km/h.
Según la información recogida hasta ahora, la línea se construirá para 300 km/h, y los 12 trenes CRH380A se harán para la misma velocidad, lo que significa que tendrán que ser capaces de circular a 330 km/h para poder ser homologados a 300. El tiempo de trayecto previsto para los 212,18 km es de 59 minutos, lo que significa una velocidad media de 216 km/h, que ya quisieran en, Corea (193), Turquía (204), Italia (207), o las principales relaciones de Alemania o Taiwan; por no hablar de USA: 169,5 km/h de media entre Baltimore y Wilmington, 123 en Nueva York-Washington y 105 en Boston-Nueva York.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #460
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According to information gathered so far, the line will be built for 300 km/h, and 12 trains CRH380A be made to the same speed, which means they will be able to run at 330 km/h in order to be approved 300. Commuting time scheduled for 212.18 km is 59 minutes, which means an average speed of 216 km/h, already wanted in Korea (best time: 193), Turkey (204), Italy (207), or the main relations of Germany (Frankfurt-Cologne: 171) or Taiwan; not to mention USA: 169.5 km/h on average between Baltimore and Wilmington, 123 in New York-Washington-Boston and 105 in New York.
Gusiluz, apologies for my ignorance but do we know if the average speed of 216 km/h measured from city centre to city centre, or is it assuming some suburban high-speed station in Queretaro? I ask because in the first case this is a truly amazing average speed. On the other hand, if it's between dedicated HS stations then several of the European countries remain competitive.
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