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Old November 20th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #641
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CAF said that the new term exceeds the two months they had requested, so they will participate because they have advanced their project already.

will the Oaris be ready by May 2015?

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Old November 20th, 2014, 08:02 PM   #642
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I do not think so, while we know nothing of the prototype, which is parked in the reservoir of La Sagra.
Have long said they would extend the prototype from 4 to 8 cars and rumors speak of Renfe or CAF nor want to pay the cost.
Moreover, it makes no sense to say that CAF will participate if it can not.
Hopefully I'm wrong.

Oaris will participate in the competition of new trains for Renfe.
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No lo creo, hace tiempo que no sabemos nada del prototipo, que se encuentra estacionado en el depósito de La Sagra.
Hace tiempo dijeron que iban a ampliar el prototipo de 4 a 8 coches y los rumores hablan de que ni Renfe ni CAF quieren pagar el coste.
Por otra parte, tampoco tiene sentido que CAF diga que va a participar si no puede.
Ojalá esté equivocado.

Sí que va a participar en el concurso de nuevos trenes para Renfe.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 12:02 AM   #643
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Maybe CAF is thinking to participate along with TALGO???
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Old November 21st, 2014, 01:00 AM   #644
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The two are manufacturers and competing, do not get anything right.
The Ministry of Public Works and Renfe tried to bring together for Brazil, and that ended badly.
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Los dos son fabricantes y competidores, no se llevan nada bien.
El ministerio de Fomento y Renfe intentaron juntar a los dos para Brasil y aquello acabó bastante mal.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 09:00 AM   #645
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In case of CAF and Talgo I can understand they don't want to cooperate: The Talgo technology concept is just to different from anything else on the market. As a matter of pride neither will probably want to admit their competitors concept is better.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 09:00 PM   #646
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Since you talk about Talgo, the AVRIL G3 will be certified in 2015 at 330 km/h according the test director of Talgo.
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Ya que se habla de Talgo, el AVRIL G3 se homologará en 2015 a 330 km/h según el director de pruebas de Talgo.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:55 PM   #648
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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:12 AM   #649
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I do not think so, while we know nothing of the prototype, which is parked in the reservoir of La Sagra.
Have long said they would extend the prototype from 4 to 8 cars and rumors speak of Renfe or CAF nor want to pay the cost.
Moreover, it makes no sense to say that CAF will participate if it can not.
Hopefully I'm wrong.

Oaris will participate in the competition of new trains for Renfe.
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No lo creo, hace tiempo que no sabemos nada del prototipo, que se encuentra estacionado en el depósito de La Sagra.
Hace tiempo dijeron que iban a ampliar el prototipo de 4 a 8 coches y los rumores hablan de que ni Renfe ni CAF quieren pagar el coste.
Por otra parte, tampoco tiene sentido que CAF diga que va a participar si no puede.
Ojalá esté equivocado.

Sí que va a participar en el concurso de nuevos trenes para Renfe.
The OARIS is not parked in La Sagra depot, but in CAF facilities in Beasain. Currently it is having its systems checked and upgraded according to the long test campaigns carried out in the last months.

In addition, the onboard ETCS equipment is being replaced by the one designed and manufactured by CAF SIGNALLING. So soon the prototype will be back on the track to start a new ERTMS commisioning.

You are right, it looks like the train will not be enlarged to 8 cars due to the lack of available budget in RENFE. It is a pity, because according to the existing results it is expected that the 8 cars OARIS will be able to reach 400 km/h.

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EL OARIS no está en el depósito de La Sagra sino en las instalaciones de CAF en Beasain. En estos momento se le están comprobando y actualizando los sistemas tras la larga campaña de ensayos de los últimos meses.

Además,el equipo del ETCS embarcado se están sustituyendo por el diseñado y fabricado por CAF SIGNALLING. Por tanto en breve el prototipo volverá a la vías para comenzar la certificación del nuevo ERTMS.

Estás en lo cierto en que el tren no se ampliará a 8 coches por falta de dinero en las arcas de RENFE. Es una pena porque de acuerdo a los resultados que se tienen con el de 4 coches, el OARIS de 8 coches podría alcanzar los 400 km/h.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #650
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Well I'm glad to be wrong. I got it made no sense CAF message if it could not present.

How about the new air suspension for improved cornering comfort ?, what was tested in May.
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Pues me alegro de estar equivocado. Ya puse que no tenía sentido el mensaje de CAF si no se podía presentar.
¿Qué tal la nueva suspensión neumática para mejorar el confort al paso por curva?, lo que se probó en mayo.
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Otra cosa, no encuentro ninguna fuente medianamente fiable sobre el origen Mitsubishi de la tracción del Oaris. Es para la wikipedia.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Oaris
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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #651
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Im agree with you, sadly people here is pretty ignorant, but since now we assume that CAF has nothing to present in May, non sense that declaration by CAF.

btw nobody is ready, nor will be, only the chinese again.

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Old November 26th, 2014, 09:33 AM   #652
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How about the new air suspension for improved cornering comfort ?, what was tested in May.
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¿Qué tal la nueva suspensión neumática para mejorar el confort al paso por curva?, lo que se probó en mayo.
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Otra cosa, no encuentro ninguna fuente medianamente fiable sobre el origen Mitsubishi de la tracción del Oaris. Es para la wikipedia.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Oaris
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A couple of pneumatic innovations were tested, one for improved cornering comfort, as you said, whose first version was tested on a modified RENFE 594 DMU and the second one for vertical comfort. The results are satisfactory and pave the way for their usage in the future.

Concerning the traction, you can not find any reliable source because Mitsubishi is not the system supplier but just a component supplier in case of the OARIS.

OARIS' traction was designed by CAF's engineers as a system integrating components from different suppliers. While the inverter comes from Mitsubishi the motors come from other company and the transformer from a third one. So it is wrong and rather unfair to say the traction system is by Mitsubishi.

This concept may sound weird but the reality is that it works and it pushes like hell.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #653
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do you believe the Oaris will be ready by May?
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Old November 28th, 2014, 01:03 PM   #654
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No longer answering Titan Trains, I will.

If the news you put CAF says he will present and Titan Trains scolds me for writing that does not believe (how bad I am! ), will have to bet yes.

I imagine that arise with Indra Systems and OHL, just as planned, because IAMSA fell consortium ¿?.
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Ya que no contesta Titan Trains, lo haré yo.
Si en la noticia que pusiste CAF dice que se va a presentar y Titan Trains me riñe por escribir que no lo creo (¡qué malo que soy!), habrá que apostar a que sí.
Imagino que se presenten con Indra Systems y OHL, tal y como estaba previsto, porque IAMSA se cayó del consorcio ¿?.
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CRCC and other Chinese firms confirm they will tender again.


Source: CNN (spanish)

http://www.cnnexpansion.com/negocios...exicoqueretaro
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 05:48 PM   #656
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It is CONFIRMED.

New tender on December 12th.

January 25th, 2015 all proposals will be made public.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 08:27 AM   #657
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It is CONFIRMED.



New tender on December 12th.



January 25th, 2015 all proposals will be made public.

It will take a very short time!
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It will take a very short time!
Indeed, and only the Chinese guys are ready.
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Indeed, and only the Chinese guys are ready.

So probably the outcome will be the same of the first tender...
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So probably the outcome will be the same of the first tender...
Yeap.
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