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Old July 28th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #121
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it means those problems are not that bad as media shows, the country has easily the capacity, the problems are not much worse than those of other countries that already developed high speed lines, like Turkey or Uzbekistan.

There is already another project under construction an intercity train between Mexico City and Toluca:

construction started 2 weeks ago:

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Old July 28th, 2014, 09:58 PM   #122
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I also see no reason, why Mexico should not be able to carry out such project. For the size of the country 3.3 billion are not even that spectacular.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #123
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KingNick: strictly speak you are right, but is it really THAT important to argue about? Let's discuss trains better… A bit surprising that Mexico is allocating money for this with so many other problems around.
Mexico is one of the largest economies in the world they have the capability to do that and even more. Moreover, they are also going to invest in a new airport in Mexico city.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #124
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When is it supposed to finish construction? Travel through Mexico by rail today is awful. Buses are more frequent and faster

If everything goes nominal, by 2018 you can travel at high speed in Mexico, btw the only intercity passenger rail services today are a couple and only for touristic reason, so those trains are basically (and purposely) old fashioned.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #125
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I suppose Mexico City - Queretaro is just the first phase? Because it would certainly make much more sense to extend the line to Leon and Guadalajara as well.
Leon-Guadalajara are planned for the next phase. Then probably Aguascalientes-Monterrey. In the faaar future it is planned to reach Juarez.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:25 AM   #126
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The infrastructure aready done:

-Buenavista Station plus 27 km of standard track up to Cuautitlan station.
-It will be prolonged one more suburban station to the town of Huehuetoca, there on, the high speed line will be built.
-The High Speed Train is not going to stop in none intermediate station of the suburban train, it will be used a 3rd track to avoid them.



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Old July 29th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #127
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I think is the same reason why we need to go to space. We have problems back here on earth; war, starving, diseases. But we need to explore other worlds if we want to survive.

The question is not why Mexico is going to build a high speed train. The real question is why we did not build it first.

The mexican train could start the large scale use of high speed rails in north america.
I love the idea.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #128
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It will be a bit ironic if Mexico being the poorest of the big three countries in North America is indeed the first to build a true high speed rail.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:16 AM   #129
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I agree with you both, if Mexico is successful in this challenge, it will be ironic and at same time the start of a boom of the High Speed Rail not only in North America but in whole the Americas. I see Canada, USA, Chile and Brazil coming soon after developing their HSR.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:53 AM   #130
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KingNick: strictly speak you are right, but is it really THAT important to argue about? Let's discuss trains better… A bit surprising that Mexico is allocating money for this with so many other problems around.
As others have mentioned, projects like these aren't too over the top for a country the size of Mexico. I'm surprised these projects didn't come sooner considering the densely populated central region of the country which has many cities that can be well connected in no time.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 02:03 AM   #131
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:18 AM   #132
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I agree with you both, if Mexico is successful in this challenge, it will be ironic and at same time the start of a boom of the High Speed Rail not only in North America but in whole the Americas. I see Canada, USA, Chile and Brazil coming soon after developing their HSR.


In August Brazil's government will bid our first high-speed rail($ 15 billion) betwwen Rio and Campinas.


518 km long. 320 km/h
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:22 AM   #133
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More images of the Buenavista Railway Station.


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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:51 AM   #134
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Mexico tenders for high-speed train linking capital and Queretaro

Mexico on Sunday announced the opening of an international tender to build a high-speed passenger train linking Mexico City and the industrial city of Queretaro.

The project, which was previously estimated to cost about $3.3 billion, would allow travel over the 210 kilometers (130 miles) between the Mexican capital and Queretaro at up to 300 kph, moving 23,000 passengers a day, Mexico's transport ministry said in a statement.

The ministry gave no price estimate, adding that work would begin this year and operations would start in the second half of 2017.

The ministry said it expects the project to create 20,000 direct jobs and take 18,000 passenger cars off the road.

Bombardier Inc, the world's biggest train manufacturer, will likely bid on the project, the company's Mexico chief said last year.

Markus Mildner, executive vice president of Siemens Mexico , has said the German industrial conglomerate is also interested in bidding on rail projects.

Last year, the Mexican government said it would tender three train projects, including the Mexico City-Queretaro line, worth a combined 97 billion pesos ($7.5 billion).

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0Q20LD20140727
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Old July 30th, 2014, 08:56 AM   #135
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Any ideas who is most likely to bid for this? There are several competing technologies to consider.
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Alstom, China North Locomotive and Rolling Stock Industry (CNR), Compañía Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF), Siemens, Mitsubishi and Bombardier will be bidding for this train.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #137
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Let me remember to you guys that all studies are already done, is 100% public funding, environmental impact study approved, feasibility study approved.
So the stage we are now is only waiting for the proposals from international consortiums and in October 15th we have a winner and a date to begin the construction (next day of the signature of the contract). The tender is integral, it means everything is in a single proposal, from supply, construction and commissioning of a high speed railway; rolling stock; equipment and systems and other components of the project.

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Old July 30th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #138
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Nothing scientific about km/h and I explained to you, why it doesn't make any sense. The fact that a big number of people think that this is the apropriate way of writing does not change this fact. And the metric parts of NA are scientists who use km/h.
Most of my Mexican American friends have told me that no matter where their family roots are, that there are two Mexicos: Greater Mexico City and the rest of the country. This has remained true since the late 17th Century.

Mexico City is a world class city that has dealt extremely well with horrific population growth via it's transportation network. Today, as a result of determined political action by the City's intelligentsia, Mexico is seriously planning HSR and higher speed express commuter lines.

Currently, the City is experiencing a burst of creative genius on par with Sao Paulo or Shanghai.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #139
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Alstom, China North Locomotive and Rolling Stock Industry (CNR), Compañía Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF), Siemens, Mitsubishi and Bombardier will be bidding for this train.
That would be just for rolling stock I assume. Almost everybody capable of such projects. Are we missing anyone at all? Italians I guess, but they haven't had much success abroad in recent years.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 09:23 PM   #140
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those are the enterprises that already expressed their will to participate, no italian or korean company yet.
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