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Old July 31st, 2014, 01:49 PM   #141
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Glad to see they're following the already existing railway as much as possible. Seems the only logic thing to do.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 04:50 PM   #142
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Glad to see they're following the already existing railway as much as possible. Seems the only logic thing to do.
Exactly; this project has been around for a long, but this is the first time that a budget and an environmental and feasibility studies are approved. In the documents (made public recently) you can see the other options they analyzed past years and even when the logical approach was to follow the existing rail since the beginning, the solutions they developed for several areas of the track (specially for the coexistence of the suburban and HST) are pretty smart, efficient and less expensive than those of the past, meanwhile the new Buenavista Station was built and the new railway rights were acquired.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:25 PM   #143
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It will be a bit ironic if Mexico being the poorest of the big three countries in North America is indeed the first to build a true high speed rail.
Well... Mexico is not exctly a poor country. Its Gross Domestic Product (by Purchasing Power Parity) is bigger than canadian. The 10th in the world.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:46 PM   #144
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GDP per capita is what counts, otherwise India is a rich country too…

Maybe it's easier to get big public projects approved in Mexico. In US and Canada it's very difficult therefore no HSR so far.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:53 PM   #145
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it depends, the HSR is something the public opinion in Mexico has been demanding for a decade or so.

Mexican roads are terribly congestioned and lots of accidents, specially in the regions on which this new train projects are being developed.

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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:54 PM   #146
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The Mexico City - Queretaro makes a lot of sense as a starter line for an eventual Mexico City - Monterrey HSR line.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:01 PM   #147
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The Mexico City - Queretaro makes a lot of sense as a starter line for an eventual Mexico City - Monterrey HSR line.
Monterrey is above the optimum distance for HSR. Guadalajara would make more sense as the first long line and it could also run through Queretaro.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:06 PM   #148
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indeed, I see more feasible that Monterrey start a line to interconnect with San Antonio as they are researching now.

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HST will share the rails of the actual suburban train for about 27km only, with non stop at any station.

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Short story of the High Speed Rail in Mexico

2002 President Fox ordered a feasibility study on the construction of a HSR from Mexico City-Guadalajara.

2003 President Fox signed the agreement on which a suburban train will be developed in the Mexico City metropolitan area.

2004 Feasibility study for a Mexico City-Guadalajara HSR is not approved due to costs ($12 billlions)

2006 President Calderon rebuilds Buenavista station in order to harbor the suburban train and a future high speed train.

2008 Suburban Train begins operations.

2012 Presidential candidate Lopez Obrador proposes a HSR network.

2012 Old feasibility studies retook by President Peña in order to update them.

2013 President Peña orders a new feasibility study and environmental study for a Mexico City-Queretaro 1st stage.

2014 Environmental and feasibility studies approved, a budget of $4.5 billions approved from public funds.

2014 July-August, the convocatory for a tender is made public.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 10:25 PM   #155
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Queretaro provisory station

As this is only the 1st phase of a Mexico City-Guadalajara HSR, this is an interim station. Eventually it will be located in a more convenient zone of the city.

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Not bad at all, about in line with other routes of similar length elsewhere. By the way how many intermediate stations are proposed?
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Not bad at all, about in line with other routes of similar length elsewhere. By the way how many intermediate stations are proposed?

none, is direct from Buenavista to Queretaro station in order to really achieve the speeds and times required to be economically feasible.
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none, is direct from Buenavista to Queretaro station in order to really achieve the speeds and times required to be economically feasible.
Is that really smart? I don't know the geography there so perhaps not many live in the middle, but otherwise it would have been possible to have 1-2 intermediate stations and run both an express service achieving the times listed and also a slightly slower service (+10-20 min) serving few more places.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 05:27 PM   #159
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perhaps, although there are 2 small picturesque towns of about 200,000 inhabitants (San Juan del Rio and Tula), only the former one is important enough so authorities said they will enable a suburban train to connect it later.

By the other side, Queretaro is a big industrial city, hub of the aerospace industry in Latin America, plus an important research centre in everything related to automotive engineering and aeronautics.

Queretaro is not only geographically perfect to become the HSR hub for the center-north of Mexico, plus is one of the most important cities in the country actually.


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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:04 AM   #160
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Queretaro is actually one of the most prosperous cities of Mexico!
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