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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #161
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"The bidding rules for the project were published on July 25, the secretariat said, adding that the high-speed train would be part of an integrated transportation system designed to link the capital with the Bajio region in central Mexico.

The winning bidder will be required to sign a joint public works contract covering the design, construction, supply and operations of the project, the secretariat said.

The official international call for bids will take place on Aug. 15 and will be open to all firms interested in constructing the system."




Train characteristics required:

Structure: Aluminum
Max speed: 350 km/h
Seats: 404/405 per unit
Total power on wheels: >8.000 kW
Breaking: regenerative, rheostat and pneumatic
Braking distance (320 to 0 km/h): 3900m
Acceleration (0 to 320 km/h): <400s
Signaling systems: ERTMS 1&2, ASFA
Total length of the train: 200m
Width: 2.950m
Height: 3.890m
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Old August 4th, 2014, 10:15 PM   #162
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It would be indeed the beggining of a HSR network throughout Mexico. The next step would be to connect "El Bajío" which includes León (Population: 1.8 million), Silao (173,000), Irapuato and Salamanca (800,000), Celaya (468,000) and Querétaro (1 million), and maybe then Guadalajara and Monterrey.

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Old August 4th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #163
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Mexico City, Aug 4 (EFE).- The high-speed Mexico City-Queretaro train, which will cover the 210-kilometer (130-mile) route at a speed of 300 kph (186 mph), will be the first of its kind in Latin America, the Communications and Transportation Secretariat said.

The train will carry 23,000 passengers per day "safely, quickly, comfortably and in an environmentally friendly way," the secretariat said in a statement.

The high-speed rail line will benefit more than 25 million people economically and create 60,000 jobs during the construction phase, the secretariat said.

The train will offer service between Mexico City's Buenavista station and downtown Queretaro, the capital of the like-named state, saving up to 2hrs in comparison with highway travel.

The bidding rules for the project were published on July 25, the secretariat said, adding that the high-speed train would be part of an integrated transportation system designed to link the capital with the Bajio region in central Mexico.

The winning bidder will be required to sign a joint public works contract covering the design, construction, supply and operations of the project, the secretariat said.

The official international call for bids will take place on Aug. 15 and will be open to all firms interested in constructing the system.

Work is expected to start this year on the high-speed rail line, with the system projected to start operating in December 2017, the secretariat said.

The government privatized Mexico's railroads in 1997, but the focus has been on freight service, leading to the virtual disappearance of passenger service on a 22,000-kilometer (13,670-mile) rail network.

Two passenger trains - the Tequila Express in Jalisco and El Chepe on the Chihuahua City-Los Mochis route - currently operate in Mexico, catering mainly to tourists.

A steam locomotive in Morelos state offers rides around the city of Cuautla.
Tren de alta velocidad México-Querétaro, primero en su género en América
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Old August 4th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #164
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Finally, this will make my trip to Queretaro easier (I travel to Queretaro from Mexico City annually)
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:54 AM   #165
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I find great that the 100% of the mexican HSR will be ERTMS since the beginning
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Old August 5th, 2014, 04:24 AM   #166
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This is what I've been hoping for! Trains are one of the fastest and most reliable means of transportation.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 08:34 PM   #167
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The other HSR project in Mexico is the Transpeninsular Train, that will run from the city of Merida to Cancun, through the mayan archaeological sites and mayan riviera resorts.



This project is belated due to a reconsideration of the route; there was an environmental study in process, but now they are making a new one due to the change of route.

The tender was programmed for this year also.

It will be most probably a train of 230km/h max speed.



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In planning of the Transpeninsular Train was considered that the architectural aspect plays a major role, as amended customs infrastructure mobility and quality of life of the population.

Therefore, in the "Descriptive Technical Report for Civil Works Building" dated November 2013 three options for "docking stations" taking into account pre-Hispanic Mayan and colonial concepts were created.

In all cases maya pyramidal structures and arc considered.

It is proposed to use local building materials and finishes of the proposed stations, thus ensuring their integration into the local landscape.

The Yucatán karst stone, white limestone, gray to pink or building walls, slopes, and concrete floors using gravel and sands of this stone. Flattened with plastic fibers and paints.



HOW THE STATIONS WILL BE?

The stroke work with a single track with sidings, leaving the confinement space for a second track.

The train in the first stage will be used with biodiesel or diesel system, but leave everything ready for when you switch to electric catenary system.






Stations will be side platforms so that passengers do not have to cross the tracks of the platform change.

The platforms have been considered only in the central roof part, in a first stage, according to the requirements will be in future roofing entire length.

It is proposed for the exchange of means of transport, exchange of media bays for buses with 45-degree ascent and descent of passengers.

It is important to allocate an exclusive space for bikes.

Access to the station has two side ramps for people with disabilities, with slope of 7 percent and development of 20 meters; and 3 steps.

The design proposes a block of services including: restrooms for men and women, which could be concessioned.

It also features local station for the chief, Surveillance, First Aid, Lockers for employees and machine room for the necessary equipment for the operation of the station.

Similarly a trading bloc arises, with seven local of approximately 12 square meters each.

To operate the toll transpeninsular Train, a locker with two windows proposed in the middle of the lobby.

You should also locate ticket machines; with controlled access turnstiles plus Emergency Exit doors and a courtesy door to people with disabilities.

From the lobby, you can directly access the platform or the gangway platform change.

The width of the stairs is 2.40 meters.

Two exclusive elevators were also raised for the use of people with disabilities.

It has two side platforms 4 meters wide by 250 meters long.

Installation of photovoltaic cells that could provide part of the electrical energy required station is proposed.

The design raises the location of domes to help lighting during the day with natural light.

The architects analyzed various architectural forms most notably the concept of the basement; the height at which the station lobby and platform is located. The proposal to use local materials and vegetation, are also part of this analysis.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #168
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So they are considering usage of the same train as the one that was implied
in the spanish rail catastrophy of last year ? Even if the primary responsability
of this accident remains with the driver, there are still heavy suspictions that
the design of this power car seriously contributed to the derailment...
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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:14 AM   #169
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So they are considering usage of the same train as the one that was implied in the spanish rail catastrophy of last year ? Even if the primary responsibility of this accident remains with the driver, there are still heavy suspicions that the design of this power car seriously contributed to the derailment...
I haven't heard that anywhere. The train was taking the curve at almost twice the design speed. I bet any train would have derailed under those circumstances. It was a combination of human error and improper signalling design. Spanish probably have some inbuilt advantage in another Spanish speaking country.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #170
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So they are considering usage of the same train as the one that was implied
in the spanish rail catastrophy of last year ? Even if the primary responsability
of this accident remains with the driver
Actually, the safety system on that part of the track was seriously lacking. Even a sleeping driver should not have been able to cause this accident, had the proper safety system been in place.

Then there is of course the driver who was confused because of the many tunnels, etc. But the type of train? No idea what that had to do with it.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #171
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So they are considering usage of the same train as the one that was implied
in the spanish rail catastrophy of last year ? Even if the primary responsability
of this accident remains with the driver, there are still heavy suspictions that
the design of this power car seriously contributed to the derailment...
Uninformed comment is uninformed. It had everything to do with speed, nothing todo with the actual train set.

The driver was distracted, there was improper signalling, and there was no automatic train control system to keep the train from going 180km/h in an 80km/h zone.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #172
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yeah it was a problem of the implementation of the ERTMS in that part of the track plus and mostly a human error by the engineer.

Now, that trainset perfectly meets the requirements for (and only) the TT (Transpeninsular Train), because in the 1st phase the railway is not going to be electrified, so in order to reduce costs an hybrid trainset such as the S/130h can be ready for the eventual upgrade of the line. It doesn't mean that is the already selected train, of course if Alstom or whoever offer us something similar at an affordably cost will be very appreciated
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #173
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by the way in respect of the MQ HSR (Mexico-Queretaro HSR), everything points that Bombardier or Siemens will win the bid, unless CAF has something to say and offer us something like this (at an affordable price of course)

CAF Oaris 350km/h





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Are Japanese not serious contenders here or you just think a European based system would be more appropriate for Mexico?
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Are Japanese not serious contenders here or you just think a European based system would be more appropriate for Mexico?
There are many reasons, one of them is that Bombardier and Siemens have been around this project since several years ago and both have expertise in the mexican market, another reason is that japanese as well as french use to be more expensive; the spaniards due to cultural links have some sort of advantage, but they use to sell us outdated rolling stock in every project they win (of course cheaper than anyone else). Bombardier and Siemens are the 2 more enthusiast contenders since the announcement of huge investment in this, making official statements all the time. Chinese president came to Mexico and told president Peña that China is ready to compete, thus this would be the 1st time we adventure with chinese in any kind of rail project if they win. Due to NAFTA mexican enterprises are used to work with canadians no matter cultural differences.

Personally I believe that European, Japanese or Chinese system are technically adequate for Mexico, so this decision will be mainly taken in relation of costs and politics.

Is important to note that, as this is only the beginning of a HSR network in the country, whoever wins is going to assure a huge market in the american continent.

Bombardier has promised a plant in Ciudad Sahagun to manufacture high speed trains to provide The Americas market if they win.
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Is important to note that, as this is only the beginning of a HSR network in the country, whoever wins is going to assure a huge market in the american continent.
An advantage for sure, but I don't think any one manufacturer will be able to corner the entire market. More important is what kind of standards are chosen. I think European and Chinese would be compatible with each other later on, but Japanese might not be.
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An advantage for sure, but I don't think any one manufacturer will be able to corner the entire market. More important is what kind of standards are chosen. I think European and Chinese would be compatible with each other later on, but Japanese might not be.
good point, interoperability between European and Chinese standards are possible.

it is possible that what happens in the automotive and aerospace industry in Mexico will happen in the high speed rail sector with a possible scenario on which a couple of manufacturers open their plants here to serve our market and the rest of The Americas.

if high speed trains would ever conquer the American continent, there is no other country with the capacity and quality to manufacture the trainsets at more competitive prices than Mexico.

otherwise high speed trains manufactured by japanese, french, spaniard or german workers and shipped through oceans will be unaffordable even for the United States.
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if high speed trains would ever conquer the American continent, there is no other country with the capacity and quality to manufacture the trainsets at more competitive prices than Mexico.
There is currently a law in US which mandates that trains and trams should be assembled and certain percentage of components manufactured in US to be eligible for federal funding. I think they'll continue to protect their market, but factories in Mexico for assembling trains for the local market and for manufacturing certain components are likely anyway. That's why I wrote earlier that Spanish companies have some advantage. It ought to be easier for them to establish subsidiaries in Mexico and hire the right people.
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Uninformed comment is uninformed. It had everything to do with speed, nothing todo with the actual train set.

The driver was distracted, there was improper signalling, and there was no automatic train control system to keep the train from going 180km/h in an 80km/h zone.
I beg to differ, and I'm not alone. The video of the derailment shows clearly
that the diesel power cars were the first to get off the rails, and probably
took the rest of the train with them. And it's perfectly understandable, given
that these cars have their center of gravity much higher than the other talgo
cars. If they had not been there, the train might not have derailed at all. I do
not disagree with the fact that excessive speed, combined with insufficient
signalling, are the root cause of the accident. I'm just saying, along with other
sources (Latest edition of Today's railways Europe, for example) that the
presence of those power cars were an aggravating factor.
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I didn't know almost anything about the transpeninsular project. It would be awesome if were a HSR too. I'm not familiar with that term ERTMS. Could anybody explain what it stands for?
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