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Old March 20th, 2016, 05:14 PM   #541
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St. George Romanian Orthodox Church, Toronto, Ontario. Let's take a suburban Gothic church, add in a 1950s front, then throw in a Toronto McMansion side and a few vaguely Eastern European looking towers to make it more "Romanian".
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Old March 21st, 2016, 02:27 AM   #542
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TVCC and CCTV Headquarters buildings are among the ugliest examples of anti-tecture. They stand for nothing, and nobody can justify these stubs of crap. No idea behind it, huge money wasted in vain, nothing has been proven to anybody (except the fact that the funds were wasted).

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Old March 21st, 2016, 07:33 AM   #543
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TVCC and CCTV Headquarters buildings are among the ugliest examples of anti-tecture. They stand for nothing, and nobody can justify these stubs of crap. No idea behind it, huge money wasted in vain, nothing has been proven to anybody (except the fact that the funds were wasted).

They do have ideas behind them. They are both considered a result of "Syntactic" design, what you referring to maybe is "Semantic" design.

Syntactic design: via syntax, within itself; rules, patterns, systems, ordered arrangement. (e.g. Toyo Ito's serpentine pavilion)

Semantic design: via associations, to things outside itself; metaphor, resemblance, symbols, allegory, narrative. (e.g. Santiago Calatrava's Turning Torso)

Syntactic design is not as apparent as Semantic design, so maybe this is why you think it is meaningless.

TVCC design for example is based on the process of digging a hole in the ground and then filling it with blocks of program and "collecting" them and then flipping it upside down. I had a diagram about the concept but I can't seem to find it.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 08:34 AM   #544
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TVCC and CCTV Headquarters buildings are among the ugliest examples of anti-tecture. They stand for nothing, and nobody can justify these stubs of crap. No idea behind it, huge money wasted in vain, nothing has been proven to anybody (except the fact that the funds were wasted).
In my opinion, CCTV headquaters + TVCC are my favorite modern architecture
in Beijing; they are unique standing out of their surroundings for reasons; they are well geometric-formed interpreting the meanings of a contemporary statue.

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Old March 21st, 2016, 01:04 PM   #545
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TVCC design for example is based on the process of digging a hole in the ground and then filling it with blocks of program and "collecting" them and then flipping it upside down. I had a diagram about the concept but I can't seem to find it.
Oh really? Please forgive my ignorance then.
And I hope you will forgive my timid attempt to explain the concept behind the CCTV Headquarters... Because from what you have already explained to me about the TVCC building, I suspect that the CCTV Headquarters' concept was: shitting on a fry-pan, baking it until it becomes solid, then cutting the 3-angled staple clip as we see it. Very clever, actually!
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Old March 21st, 2016, 01:07 PM   #546
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interpreting the meanings of a contemporary statue.
So do you have a problem of putting it into simple English, these "meanings"? What does the broken staple clip mean? And he grid of lines painted on its sides?
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Old March 21st, 2016, 08:53 PM   #547
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Oh really? Please forgive my ignorance then.
And I hope you will forgive my timid attempt to explain the concept behind the CCTV Headquarters... Because from what you have already explained to me about the TVCC building, I suspect that the CCTV Headquarters' concept was: shitting on a fry-pan, baking it until it becomes solid, then cutting the 3-angled staple clip as we see it. Very clever, actually!
It's okay, these designs are too sophisticated for most people. I suspect it flew right over your head.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 08:58 PM   #548
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So do you have a problem of putting it into simple English, these "meanings"? What does the broken staple clip mean? And he grid of lines painted on its sides?
It's based on the load path of the building.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 09:21 PM   #549
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It's okay, these designs are too sophisticated for most people. I suspect it flew right over your head.
I knew you have no answer. I expect no more from dummytects.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 09:29 PM   #550
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I knew you have no answer. I expect no more from dummytects.
Answer for what? I already told you one was based on a Syntactic operation of design, the other has its facade divided with lines that shows the load path.

Are you high? And what with the stupid terms "anti-tecture" and "dummytect"? Are you inventing those? Are they suppose to mean anything? Please elaporate mr high and mighty on the meaning of "anti-tecture"

I bet that you got hurt when you saw what you consider as "beautiful" architecture posted on this thread.



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Old March 21st, 2016, 10:12 PM   #551
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Answer for what? I already told you one was based on a Syntactic operation of design, the other has its facade divided with lines that shows the load path.

Are you high? And what with the stupid terms "anti-tecture" and "dummytect"? Are you inventing those? Are they suppose to mean anything? Please elaporate mr high and mighty on the meaning of "anti-tecture"

I bet that you got hurt when you saw what you consider as "beautiful" architecture posted on this thread.
Honestly, you have issues if you take this Koolhaas' schizo seriously.
I don't care if they used DEM or EDEM for the structure calculations. Can you imagine a luxury car with the FEA structural loads painted on its body? Is this even for some meth junkies considered to be normal? Maybe let's paint the entire camshaft with all the valve/injection system onto a car's body? Would it be acceptable for an average owner, who did not participate in designing the engine?
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Old March 21st, 2016, 10:24 PM   #552
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I knew you have no answer. I expect no more from dummytects.
Checked your website, these designs are truly worthy of this thread. They are some of the kitschiest pieces of design I have ever seen. I commend you.

P.S. you talk a lot about meaning and stuff, so can you tell us what these ornaments suppose to mean or do? or they just looked shiny and beautiful to you.

It's ironic that you talk a lot about "wasting" materials when you go and do things like this where you waste materials to make floral ornaments and shit rofl..







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Honestly, you have issues if you take this Koolhaas' schizo seriously.
I don't care if they used DEM or EDEM for the structure calculations. Can you imagine a luxury car with the FEA structural loads painted on its body? Is this even for some meth junkies considered to be normal? Maybe let's paint the entire camshaft with all the valve/injection system onto a car's body? Would it be acceptable for an average owner, who did not participate in designing the engine?
Exposing structural elements or or any other interior elements on the facade is common practice. It's suppose to emphasize whatever being exposed. In CCTV it's suppose to emphasize the structural achievement, hence the exposed load path.

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Maybe let's paint the entire camshaft with all the valve/injection system onto a car's body?
Yes, they do that. Look at high end sport cars like Ferraris or Bugattis, they do expose the engine in the back.
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And stop bringing up irrelevant profession/invented terms to make you sound knowledgeable. It doesn't, and it shows in your work/posts.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 11:41 PM   #555
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Dear london, thank you for advertising the company of my partners, but you can enjoy the most comrehensive collection of my designs only here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]
I completely agree that "Exposing structural elements or any other interior elements on the facade is a common practice", but picturing the load schedules on the curtain walls of a building - is like putting the parts price lists on a car's paint.
And stop telling me what to do, and stop guessing any info about me, or I will tell you where do you have to go.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 12:27 AM   #556
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but picturing the load schedules on the curtain walls of a building - is like putting the parts price lists on a car's paint.
Stop comparing buildings to cars, that's a bad analogy, I let it slide the first time but not now.

They respond to totally different sets of problems and needs both Aesthetically and functionally.

You came here and ignorantly talked crap about other people's design, yet your design shows the same problems you spoke against previously.



So what does all this fluff mean? what are the reasons for putting these "lines" on the left wall, or the patterns in the ground or the ornamental ceiling.
What about the furniture? why do they have these tacky and irrelevant patterns?

At least OMA had an idea behind their aesthetic choices, what some of the reasons for your fluff and gaudy designs?

My guess? you have none. You're just dabbling in 3DS MAX and doing whatever wherever with no bases in science, psychology, or logic.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 11:15 AM   #558
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Those Romanian houses designs are horrible indeed. Looks very complicated!
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How it looks:



How it should look:

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It's a real shame with this building, because they were so close to making it look beautiful.
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