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Old March 29th, 2016, 01:50 AM   #561
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What do you think about this building? The original design was this:


Viú Cayalá


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However, this is how it turned out:




viu_frente_ by oveja negra, en Flickr


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As you can see, it used to have more open green spaces in each floor, the brick was darker, each floor had several modules and the windows were different. Most people in the Guatemalan forum think this was a major disappointment and that it looks horrible now. These two pictures are the only good angle the building has:


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Old March 29th, 2016, 05:35 AM   #562
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What do you think about this building? The original design was this:


As you can see, it used to have more open green spaces in each floor, the brick was darker, each floor had several modules and the windows were different. Most people in the Guatemalan forum think this was a major disappointment and that it looks horrible now. These two pictures are the only good angle the building has:
I don't think it's that horrible, and in regards to the design change maybe it's because of multiple reasons and I can guess some of them:
a) developer changing design for more square footage and opting not to have those outdoor spaces. b) environmental reasons which leads to high heating energy costs.

Let's look here:


As you can see, the thing to address here is the cold months of DEC and JAN, this building will need a lot of heating strategies including Massive walls with good insulation and high internal gain.

Add to this the wind in this particular area + the project's orientation:




The NE Facade would be completely shaded at the times when it needs heat gain the most, add to this the winds that is blowing from the NE and you got a really bad combination.

Now imagine that the original design was kept, This will even further heating energy costs of the project due to wind infiltration.

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Old April 7th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #563
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Examples from Belgium, part 2











This is WTF!!!



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Old April 16th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #564
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Old April 16th, 2016, 07:50 AM   #565
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Everything about that Belgian building sucks. From the spastic window placement, to the illogical elitist cultured class that perceives such architecture as cool and ever relevant, and to the mentally incompetent who spread their legs to cultural nation-wrecking practices.

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Old April 17th, 2016, 03:05 PM   #566
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Old April 18th, 2016, 11:01 AM   #567
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there is something utterly wrong with those belgium houses :p
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Old April 18th, 2016, 05:15 PM   #568
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Surabaya, Indonesia, already once mentioned, has its very distinctive architecture like many Indonesian cities. Traditional-built beautiful buildings, glassy towers of which some new additions have been great (Tunjungan Plaza), lots of mediocrity (I'm not such a big fan of vertical-shaped tiles functioning as a wall) and you have... tackiness!

Along the MERR (Jalan Soekarno), there are some notable elitary homes, of which this "haunted house", being referred to by locals, is one:



To add another one: Pakuwon City is full of rich people, and they adore to travel along the world seeing beautiful buildings. However, they don't know how those buildings have to look like. Just like we don't know how to make a real good Indonesian (non-Chinese) rice meal back in the Netherlands:

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Old April 19th, 2016, 06:49 PM   #569
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This is WTF!!!



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I guess the architect was high on LSD when he was designing the project...
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 11:18 AM   #570
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Surabaya, Indonesia, already once mentioned, has its very distinctive architecture like many Indonesian cities. Traditional-built beautiful buildings, glassy towers of which some new additions have been great (Tunjungan Plaza), lots of mediocrity (I'm not such a big fan of vertical-shaped tiles functioning as a wall) and you have... tackiness!

Along the MERR (Jalan Soekarno), there are some notable elitary homes, of which this "haunted house", being referred to by locals, is one:



To add another one: Pakuwon City is full of rich people, and they adore to travel along the world seeing beautiful buildings. However, they don't know how those buildings have to look like. Just like we don't know how to make a real good Indonesian (non-Chinese) rice meal back in the Netherlands:
Those there are not perfectly architectured edifices, indeed. But not too terrible either. Name 2 worst mistakes for each one, I will gladly discuss.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 01:28 PM   #571
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Well, someone have posted about Surabaya's excessive and sickening plastic classic rich and famous' houses, that simply I don't like due to being masquerading as old building (some may disagree) and for being unauthentic.

By the way, Rich Palace Hotel, in same city called Surabaya also is considered a architecturally sick building because of same reason, and it is painted bright white. One thing that made worse, it's 27 storey tall. The image is quoted from building's own rate our high rise thread, so feel free to visit and vote.

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Old April 26th, 2016, 11:08 AM   #572
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Well, someone have posted about Surabaya's excessive and sickening plastic classic rich and famous' houses, that simply I don't like due to being masquerading as old building (some may disagree) and for being unauthentic.
You cannot blame it because of the material used. Architecture is not about any material whatsoever. It's about the forms composition (shape, proportion, rhythm, orders etc.), usability, and structural strength. But the building material has NEVER been an issue in any truly architectural discussions. Plastic is an appropriate contemporary material, and we will deal with it for centuries to come, whether you like it or not.

PS: the white tower in the post you quoted is really lame, architecturally.
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You cannot blame it because of the material used. Architecture is not about any material whatsoever. It's about the forms composition (shape, proportion, rhythm, orders etc.), usability, and structural strength. But the building material has NEVER been an issue in any truly architectural discussions. Plastic is an appropriate contemporary material, and we will deal with it for centuries to come, whether you like it or not.

PS: the white tower in the post you quoted is really lame, architecturally.
Sorry, but you misinterpreted my word. I use the "plastic classic" term for recently-built buildings designed in classical styles, often in pejorative sense, as most of them are simply tacky for me. I never really refers it as architectural building material .

Have you vote that building before CopyLeft? Some peoples there are voting 10 of it, even I sees that very ugly
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Precisely speaking, you misinterpret architecture. Those buildings do not belong to classical styles. The true classical architecture is not applicable in the modern world at all (partly because the majority does not worship the gods of antiquity anymore).
Those Indonesian edifices only have some elements of classics, but not the style. Believe it or not, the architecture is on their side. Except the 2 small issues, they are very architectural buildings in every sense of its definition.

PS: and I did not vote for something disproportionate. The last white tower is ugly, as well as the turquoise-roofed building. Whichever you meant, - there is the same kind of a mistake.

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So if these Surabayan house don't belong to classical architectural style, so which architectural style it should belong?

At least, for the white tower, I respect your decision to not voted that.
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So if these Surabayan house don't belong to classical architectural style, so which architectural style it should belong?
No one. Not a one, to be exact. Because they're eclectic enough. But officially, it's a style, and it's named Eclecticism.

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At least, for the white tower, I respect your decision to not voted that.
At least, name a reason: i.e., its architectural idea is unfinished/underdeveloped, the architect was sleeping when they designed the windows arrangements, it has a wrong composition etc...
Because I'm sure that for an average amateur, it's a perfectly elegant tower
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Duh, eclecticism, I forget that architectural style, and never heard the classical's "God of antiquity cult" criteria. I always sees classical is about "has Classical Greek-like pillars, statues on the roof, antique-looking carving, cupola dome, etc.", like average people will assume.

So, it seems that I should need more time to learn how to interpret architecture, even I am just an average people.

*Nah, I just admit mistake for voted high score for tacky turquoise-roofed high-rise building (Puri Matahari Surabaya) in the past as well as Da Vinci Tower (another ugly gothic-wannabe tower located inside Jakarta's premier, modernist-filled Sudirman Street)*
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... I ... never heard the classical's "God of antiquity cult" criteria.
Throughout the millennia of Antiquity and Middle Ages, the major advancements in architecture were always dictated by religions, because the priests of all gods enjoyed their great power over the majority of terrified and uneducated coward hominids. Now it's a bit different, because everybody can find out, that there are at least 3,820 gods claiming to be the only true ones. So the major advancements in architecture are not connected to religions anymore, but to another big lie: oil dependence.
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Architecture is not about any material whatsoever. It's about the forms composition (shape, proportion, rhythm, orders etc.), usability, and structural strength.
That's even worse than saying that Fashion design is only about design and fabrics play no role whatsoever.

Let alone that Every and each material and material composition has its own structural capacity and general application.

Can you make a 3000' Mud skyscraper?! Yes?! if you do will it have the same "form" and "(shape, proportion, rhythm, orders etc.)" as if it were made with steel?!! will that not effect every single thing you mentioned?!

Can you make a beam that spans 60' with concrete?! and if you do will it not be more deep than a steel one?! will that not affect the space inside the Architecture?!

For God sake man just shut the f*** up.

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Throughout the millennia of Antiquity and Middle Ages, the major advancements in architecture were always dictated by religions, because the priests of all gods enjoyed their great power over the majority of terrified and uneducated coward hominids. Now it's a bit different, because everybody can find out, that there are at least 3,820 gods claiming to be the only true ones. So the major advancements in architecture are not connected to religions anymore, but to another big lie: oil dependence.
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At least, name a reason: i.e., its architectural idea is unfinished/underdeveloped, the architect was sleeping when they designed the windows arrangements, it has a wrong composition etc...
Because I'm sure that for an average amateur, it's a perfectly elegant tower

He's talking about the Aesthetics!! It's a cheap imitation of classical architecture! You know what that means?! it's not just about religion.

Architecture in general and not just classic one are has many factors, some of which are social, environmental, technological.. etc they has carefully considered scale, hierarchy, and details. What the guy is saying is that these godawful abominations are just badly imitating the "Aesthetics" or general look of said architecture without considering any of the after-mentioned factors.

These Aesthetic values are taken out of context and are being applied using Materials that were not used on the original architecture, and since the materials had the biggest role in making the Architecture look how it is, applying new materials and just imitating the results is just the most anti-architectural, cringe-worthy, oxymoron act you can ever do. You get it now?!

It's like taking a cake mixture and sculpting it to look like a chicken in order to make chicken. You and people like you think this chicken cake is a true chicken or at least taste like one.

Of course you can do the same but still call it cake, and you've just made it look like a chicken for fun and playfulness. You know this is analogical for what in Architecture?

Theme parks like Disney land, they intentionally use tackiness for playfulness and they are not taking themselves seriously. This is the only appropriate application for this kind of architecture. You will not find the Disney land designer designing with anything but caricature in mind, unlike the folks in this thread.

You will call this building a chicken, sane people will call it cake. Cake made by retards who thought that sculpting a chicken with cake will result in real chicken.

People don't like Classical architecture just because they look "good", but because they look RIGHT, they look appropriate and contextual, and there are many new examples of carefully and beautifully done Neo-classic architecture. And this shit is not one of them.

You see this?! this is this building



And this:



Do you see a pattern now?!

You see how those are different from this:



and this?:

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