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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #21
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Many of them would be actually pretty easy to cycle. Milan is flat, and its centre would be perfectly suited. The same applies to all those cities without many hills.
its streets are too narrow to accomodate bike lanes in central area (within the Cerchia dei Bastioni)
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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #22
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its streets are too narrow to accomodate bike lanes in central area (within the Cerchia dei Bastioni)
I think central streets are too narrow to accommodate cars, but they're wide enough for pedestrians and bikes

You don't really need to build bike lanes in central, narrow streets, as long as you slow down car traffic and reduce it. That's usually accomplished by charging car parking and entrance into the city, and by creating 30 areas (which are a set of stuff that discourage traffic and make walking more pleasant, especially for people with children).

Outer streets, like most of the stuff shared by IThomas, usually receive their separate cycling lane because they're wider streets, so that cars and bikes can ride parallel and safely.

If a street is very narrow or has a lot of shops and pedestrians, it usually gets pedestrianised. Walking and cycling are usually favoured to car traffic, because they're more environmentally friendly but also occupy a much smaller space, causing a lot less congestion.
For the same reason, motorcycles have access to bus lanes and they don't pay for parking, They're not necessarily better for the environment, but they take a lot less space to transport 1 or 2 people.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #23
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IThomas forgot to share the rendering of the intervention in Corso Venezia, on the area from Via Senato to Piazza San Babila. I think he did it on purpose, because the rendering quality is embarassing, but I'll share it anyway Please, guys, don't cry!

This is the street from Street view. During the day, it becomes a total mess! And it's pretty bad, also because it hosts some high-end shops as Dolce & Gabbana hairdresser.

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Here's the current situation:



And this is the infamous rendering

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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:47 AM   #24
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Milan Historic Centre Pedestrian Areas and Bikeways

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In Rome a walk into the past...

According to last news, Via dei Fori Imperiali, from Piazza Venezia to the Colosseum, after June 2 will be completely pedestrianized. Cars, buses and taxis will be banned forever. In addition, after the summer, area between the Mouth of Truth and the Temple of Vesta will become also a pedestrian area. In short, a revolution for the Old Town of Rome. The goal is to walk into the largest archaeological site in the world with a great enhancement.

Also in August, will open a new pedestrian path with a strong archaeological impact. From Via Baccina in Suburra, connects Via Alessandrina, then cross the Roman Forum, at Via della Consolazione coming in Via San Teodoro and Via del Velabro. The track will offer a completely different perspective: like a telescope, framing the Colosseum from Piazza Venezia.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #27
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Milan expand its pedestrian areas

Piazza Castello is ready to change, with a great pedestrianization: connect the area where is located the new Expo Gate and Corso Dante with Sempione Park and the Peace Arch.

Meanwhile other parts of the city are under renovation: Piazza Duomo (where is located Cathedral, Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II, and Museum of Twentieth Century Art); Saint Ambrose Basilica areas; and other areas in Navigli District.

Among new areas:
Gae Aulenti Square that connect Corso Como and Piazza XXV Aprile and with new contemporary urban park 'Library of Trees' (U/C) located in Porta Nuova Business District. CityLife District with its pedestrian area and public park (first part is already open), with Il Dritto U/C, along other two skyscrapers (Lo Storto and Il Curvo), which their construction will start soon.

If you are interested and you want discover much more, visit MILAN Projects & Construction thread
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Old May 18th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #28
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According to last news, Via dei Fori Imperiali, from Piazza Venezia to the Colosseum, after June 2 will be completely pedestrianized. Cars, buses and taxis will be banned forever. In addition, after the summer, area between the Mouth of Truth and the Temple of Vesta will become also a pedestrian area. In short, a revolution for the Old Town of Rome. The goal is to walk into the largest archaeological site in the world with a great enhancement.

Also in August, will open a new pedestrian path with a strong archaeological impact. From Via Baccina in Suburra, connects Via Alessandrina, then cross the Roman Forum, at Via della Consolazione coming in Via San Teodoro and Via del Velabro. The track will offer a completely different perspective: like a telescope, framing the Colosseum from Piazza Venezia.
They should wait until subway line C gets build before closing everything to vehicles over there
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Old July 30th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #29
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Three of the most important cities of Italy with their pedestrianisations:



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Venezia's pedestrianization would be more like closing off several minor canals with a lid to make pleasant pedestrians walkways. Something they hadn't done (it was very difficult even to get the new Calatrava bridge couple years ago).
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According to last news, Via dei Fori Imperiali, from Piazza Venezia to the Colosseum, after June 2 will be completely pedestrianized. Cars, buses and taxis will be banned forever. In addition, after the summer, area between the Mouth of Truth and the Temple of Vesta will become also a pedestrian area. In short, a revolution for the Old Town of Rome. The goal is to walk into the largest archaeological site in the world with a great enhancement.
Wow that's extremely bold. What are they going to do with the trzffic flow normally using that axis (one of the min transit axis in the city)?
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Rome becomes more pedestrian friendly

New measures extending a ban on vehicles and even scooters from more streets in Rome's historic centre, Mayor Ignazio Marino mused about next making the Circus Maximus and the Palatine hill pedestrian-only. While good news for pedestrians and tourists, as well as cyclists, the latest extended traffic ban from what the city called "the living room of Rome" around the Piazza del Popolo outraged many motorists cut off from parking spots and access to the centre. Extra police were on patrol issuing warnings of future 80-euro fines for drivers and motorcyclists breaching the ban in the area of the three major 'Trident' zone streets stretching from Piazza del Popolo: Via di Ripetta, Via del Corso, and Via del Babuino. Traffic is banned weekdays from 6:30 a.m. local time until 7 p.m., and Saturdays from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. local time with police enforcing the zone until January, when automatic gates are to be installed.

Rome's city officials in a statement said the extended traffic ban should help to create a more "livable" space for residents and visitors by reducing traffic. "Rome is enriched by an important area of multiple vocations: historical, cultural and commercial center," said the statement on the municipal website. "Starting from Piazza del Popolo - the 'living room of Rome' - the three streets that fan out: Babuino, Corso, and Ripetta, and all adjacent streets, with the entry into force of the (pedestrian zone), create new livability for area residents, for citizens, and tourists," it added. The latest move comes after Rome's city council agreed last year to strict limits on traffic along the Via dei Fori Imperiali, connecting the iconic Colosseum with Piazza Venezia and running through the Roman Forum.

The permanent ban extends a pedestrian zone put in place in August affecting about 15 small streets around Rome's popular Spanish Steps and Piazza di Spagna, a move which tourists have hailed as "wonderful" and "marvelous". Said one tourist: "In Rome, which is an open-air museum, it should not be otherwise". Public transportation will still be permitted in the new pedestrian zone as well as night workers, residents with special permits and drivers with handicapped access. The city of Rome has previously said that closing the area to vehicles will help to restore the image of the area to that depicted in the popular 1953 film 'Roman Holiday', starring Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn.

The city said the new pedestrian zones are based on earlier plans dating back a dozen years when small sections of some streets in the area were closed to traffic. That plan had the ultimate objective of someday seeing more of Rome's historic centre, especially streets with monuments and important structures, more fitting of a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
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This is starting to look ridiculous. It is like arguing electricity should be taken out of the Vatican buildings to restore a medieval ambiance uncorrputed by artificial electric lighting.
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This is starting to look ridiculous. It is like arguing electricity should be taken out of the Vatican buildings to restore a medieval ambiance uncorrputed by artificial electric lighting.
Why don't we directly demolish the entire city centre of Rome and replace it with modern architecture, large boulevards and big car parkings?



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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:54 PM   #35
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This pedestrian way in Rome links Piazza Navona, the Pantheon, Via del Corso and Trevi Fountain:

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Well done Rome, cities does not have to be the same
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Old January 18th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #37
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I was in Rome in the 80's and early 90's and both times despite the ancient treasures I was eager to leave. Couldn't stand the noise and dirt. I went back last summer and was stunned by the amazing transformation. Much cleaner and so pedestrian-friendly, not to mention the wonderful and affordable restaurants. I will definitely be back.
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In Italy, are scooters treated as bicycles for traffic purposes?

Can they drive on places normally allocated to bicycles?

I have been to several Italian cities.

Despite the stereotype of Italian car drivers, it was not cars, but scooters that gave me some close calls and some stress.
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In Italy, are scooters treated as bicycles for traffic purposes?

Can they drive on places normally allocated to bicycles?

I have been to several Italian cities. Despite the stereotype of Italian car drivers, it was not cars, but scooters that gave me some close calls and some stress.
No, they're not considered like bicycles.
However, they often have a different treatment compared to cars. They basically get fined very rarely, and have the legal permission to access some of the ZTLs (restricted traffic areas).

N.B.: scooters and motorbikes can't access pedestrian areas and park or drive on the sidewalks. But they do it a lot anyways, unfortunately, because they know they'll rarely get fined.

As far as Milan is concerned, motorcycles don't pay the 5 euro fare to enter the centre. They can also drive in bus+taxi lanes. However, they can't enter pedestrian areas: if these are guarded by a camera, they'll automatically get fined.

The idea is that motorbikes create less traffic than cars, because they're smaller and they both usually carry only 1 person. So this is the reason why scooters are kinda encouraged in our cities. However, they're more noisy and some of them have very bad driving habits. Only tons of fines can change that
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