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Old February 13th, 2006, 06:16 PM   #301
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Pretty much, most american public transportation isnt very pretty.
Minneapolis and San Diego aren't too terrible:


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Old February 13th, 2006, 06:52 PM   #302
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The Bordeaux tram (post by gailu)

the three lines are currently in use and extension



actual lenght: 24,5 km
total lenght after extension 43.7km
number of stations: 84
open from 5a.m. to 1a.m.




There istwo types of energy supply: by the air (cables)


_by the thirth rail, in the old down town


The tram is a "Citadis" by Alsthom, like montpellier or dublin ones:








Cours Alsace-Lorraine


Place Pey-Berland


Place de la Victoire


Avenue Thiers


getting back home


tram deposit



links
http://www.bordeaux.fr/
http://www.netbus-bordeaux.com/
http://www.lacub.com/tramway/tramway_reseau.asp

and it is going on!
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Old February 13th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #303
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Boston's beda type 8's designed by pinafarina!



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Old February 13th, 2006, 06:59 PM   #304
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the third rail system is unique in the world.

Bordeaux had many many problems with it! troubles stopped the system from 10 min to 1 hour during more than a year after it opened. The buried cable has been changed several times! all the cost were runned by alsthom.

right now, the fiability is more or less the same than in classic systems. Some cities expressed their interrest to make a similar system for their transports network.
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Old February 13th, 2006, 11:50 PM   #305
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^Are there any plans to expand Bordeaux's tram network?

System looks very nice, very efficient...

How efficient is the 3rd rail thing, does it need more development ?
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Old February 14th, 2006, 02:46 AM   #306
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BTW, most new low floor trams cost in region of 3-4.5 million U$, cheapest low floor trams built currently are Croatian and Czech trams, CroTram made in Croatia cost about 3$ million and Skoda new trams are in region of 3.35$ million, CIF...

Other trams are about 20-25% more expensive for similar 5 section low floor tram... If you wondered why Croatian and Czech trams are so much cheaper? Workforce in Croatia and Czech Republic is lot cheaper, but in terms of quality at least Croatian made trams are superb. No glitches thus far, all are running smoothly, and most ppl who use them have only great things to say.

Melbourne, Warsaw, Sofia, Bratislava, Riga, Belgrade and few other places have shown interest for this trams.
yo mike, if a 5-section crotram costs USD 3 million, logically would a 3 section one cost USD 1.8 million? just considering the tram options for smaller cities
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Old February 14th, 2006, 03:14 AM   #307
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Lille tramway looks like San jose :





Orléans tramway, the brother of Dublin tramway :



Nancy tram (the tram on tire)





Caen tram (the brother of Nancy's tram)



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Old February 14th, 2006, 03:25 AM   #308
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Minneapolis and San Diego aren't too terrible:


The minneapolis ones are decent but the paint job ruins it...The new San diego ones are good, but the old ones were .
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Old February 14th, 2006, 03:27 AM   #309
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yo mike, if a 5-section crotram costs USD 3 million, logically would a 3 section one cost USD 1.8 million? just considering the tram options for smaller cities
lol, there about, it all depends on manufactures, you know Croatian TMK2100's were only about 1.2 U$ million per tram, Alstom or Otto Breda 3 section trams are about 3.2 U$ million per tram and Krakow trams (3 section Bombardier) where 2.6 million per tram, it all depends on manufacturer, CroTrams as I said where cheapest bc of cheep labour and manufacturing cost, the fact Croatia has high tech industry also helps, if country can produce such complex product on its own should count for something..

Ansaldo/Breda trams (Sirio Tram) example have almost identical price no matter how many sections tram has, they bid with 3 section tram for city of Montpelier and they put a price for 24 vehicles at 64€ million, Alstom came slightly cheaper at 62€ million and they won the contract to supply first 24 and subsequent orders for city of Montpelier..

It all depends on manufacturer...
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Old February 14th, 2006, 03:32 AM   #310
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the third rail system is unique in the world.
Washington D.C.'s old Streetcar (tram) system was somewhat similar. There were ordinances that forbade overhead wires (throughout the whole system) so the power pickup was from a third rail in a slot down the center. I am not sure of how it worked exactly, but i don't think it was as technical as only being powered while the tram was over the section of track. There are still streets with sections of tracks with the thrid rail.



Not a modern tram, of course, but just thought i would include the historical perspective
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Old February 14th, 2006, 02:49 PM   #311
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but wait a second, isn't it a cable car juste like the old san francisco one?

the third rail in bordeaux is electric, but the enregy passes threw it only when the tram is over it... it only works downtown, in order to preserve the XVIII century facades

mic of orion, as I said in the 3th page, the network is now about 25 km long and will be around 42 kilometres at the end of the extension, in 2008. Further extension is not known untill now but the network will be expand on the future.
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no, San Francisco uses a cable running under the streets while that uses an actual live electric rail. Not modern like Bordeaux's though.
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Old February 14th, 2006, 10:00 PM   #313
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Nottingham Trams NET (Nottingham Express Transit), very nice trams, I think Alstom is the manufacturer, not 100% sure.
5 section, 30m tram has capacity of about 200 passengers, Nottingham purchased 36 vehicles with additional trams to join in future...




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Old February 14th, 2006, 10:03 PM   #314
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Sheffield trams, got no clue who is manufacture of this tram, looks very bulky, very American, Otto Breda comes to mind when looking at this tram, they are responsible for Manchester tams as well...



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Corydon trams, Otto Breda Trams purchased in 1999 by Corydon, trams are 26m long and can carry 180 passengers... There are plans for West London Tram Link, proposed by Mayor of London, line would be constructed in 2007/8 with 22-24 stoops connecting West London via Shepard's Bush...




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Old February 14th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #316
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old marseille trams :

and new tram, next year...
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Old February 15th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #317
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... and new tram...
disgusting




ps. sorry, but i don't like this one
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Old February 15th, 2006, 01:32 AM   #318
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old marseille trams :

and new tram, next year...
very elegant, very nice tram, very Art Nouveau, comics like...
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Old February 15th, 2006, 03:09 AM   #319
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I really do like the marseille tram. Much better than the other french Lyon, Caen or Nancy trams.

Montpellier second line in covered with colourfull flower in a flower power spirit. I will look for a picture to show it
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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:30 AM   #320
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Lyons tramway is very retro, like its metro!

It looks like a worm.

The model is Citadis, by ALSTOM.

Also I like Marseilles tram!!
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