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Old February 19th, 2006, 04:04 PM   #341
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This tram in frankfurt:

Same as My australian cities tram!
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Old February 19th, 2006, 04:24 PM   #342
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Athens New Trams:
(I cant believe I used to like them!)











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Old February 19th, 2006, 05:18 PM   #343
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Quote:
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Athens New Trams:
(I cant believe I used to like them!)
Please elaborate.
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Old February 19th, 2006, 09:24 PM   #344
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yah seriously, why dont you like them? they look fine.
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Old February 20th, 2006, 12:14 AM   #345
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Athens tramway and some Milano tramways are the same model by Ansaldobreda, Pininfarina design.
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川添 Kawazoe (riverside) 海斗 Kaito (big dipper of the ocean), in Japanese.
Yo si la ciudad no tiene metro, como que no es gran ciudad y entonces ya paso de vivir allí. Norreport+12000
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Old February 20th, 2006, 02:00 AM   #346
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It's Sirio model used even in Naples







A confrontation betwen AnsaldoBreda SIRIO

MILANO





NAPOLI



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Sirio prototype (designed by Pininfarina)

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Old February 20th, 2006, 02:12 AM   #347
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The following images are of the rubber-tired Translohr tram system under construction in Clermont-Ferrand:

Even in Padova, Italy, this system is working



And in L'Aquila is under construction



While in Meste is projected



Other cities in Italy as Rimini or Savona are considering to employ this transportation system...
I prefer traditional tram, to be honest...
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Old February 20th, 2006, 03:15 AM   #348
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I mean, I used to be in love with them! But I am sick of them now. lol. If that makes sense. I still think there nice.
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Old February 20th, 2006, 04:05 AM   #349
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I mean, I used to be in love with them! But I am sick of them now. lol. If that makes sense. I still think there nice.
When I visited my cousins in Athens last summer, they were enthusiastic about the expansion of the metro system and the new suburban trains; however, they weren't so impressed with the trams. The service between Syntagma Square and the coast is too slow. Similar service could be provided by electric trolley buses. The inland leg of the tram route should have been a full metro line. Using trams for the coastal legs of the tram routes does seem reasonable given that there is little cross-traffic.
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Old February 20th, 2006, 04:39 AM   #350
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Yep. Trams just arnt for Athens as a Major type of Mass-Transit.
There much too inefficient for a City like Athens. Still, Its nice for the coast. It just dosnt work as a way to get from North athens to south. Athens is far too sprawling for a City-wide Tram system. Stick with the Metro.
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Old February 20th, 2006, 07:47 PM   #351
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can someone please explain to me the benefits of a one-rail tram? it still has to go exactly where the rail is, just as if it were a two-rail tram.

yes, i like traditional trams more.
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Old February 21st, 2006, 03:06 AM   #352
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The Bordeaux tram (post by gailu)

the three lines are currently in use and extension



actual lenght: 24,5 km
total lenght after extension 43.7km
number of stations: 84
open from 5a.m. to 1a.m.




There istwo types of energy supply: by the air (cables)


_by the thirth rail, in the old down town


The tram is a "Citadis" by Alsthom, like montpellier or dublin ones:








Cours Alsace-Lorraine


Place Pey-Berland


Place de la Victoire


Avenue Thiers


getting back home


tram deposit



links
http://www.bordeaux.fr/
http://www.netbus-bordeaux.com/
http://www.lacub.com/tramway/tramway_reseau.asp

and it is going on!
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Old February 21st, 2006, 03:41 AM   #353
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Well, for one, you only have to lay one rail, and maintinan one rail, so there is savings there. Plus, the track geometry is substantially less complex to maintain. Lastly, rubber tires give better accelleration and decelleration. My question is how are they in the snow, though?
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Old February 21st, 2006, 03:44 AM   #354
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Also Citadis model, by ALSTOM.

Beautiful "one-eyed" Bordeaux tram!!

Merci!!
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Old February 21st, 2006, 03:59 AM   #355
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can someone please explain to me the benefits of a one-rail tram? it still has to go exactly where the rail is, just as if it were a two-rail tram.

yes, i like traditional trams more.
Anyone who is genuinely interested in this subject should read the report “Northeast Sector Rapid Transit Alternatives Project, Phase 2 - Evaluation of Rapid Transit Alternatives, Final Technical Report” prepared for the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority for the Coquitlam ( A.K.A. Evergreen) Line:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/pdf...cal_report.pdf

For the chosen northwest corridor route (Northwest via Barnet), the report compares SkyTrain (automated trains operating on an elevated viaduct), light rail, and Guided Light Transit (Bombardier’s GLT system and Translohr). According to the report, GLT would be cheaper to operate than LRT and less then half the cost to build. A major cost difference between the systems is that, “SkyTrain and LRT require a 2 km tunnel to bypass the 12% grade on Clarke Road Hill, while the rubber-tired GLT, although slower, is able to negotiate this grade”.

The following are some of the numbers from the report:

Operating Cost per Vehicle-Hour - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $150 - $170
LRT: $150 - $200
GLT: $110 - $140

Operating Cost per Passenger Capacity - KM - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $0.025 - $0.035
LRT: $0.03 - $0.04
GLT: $0.04 - $0.05

Maximum Acheivable Speed - Table 5.1
SkyTrain: 80 km/h
LRT: 90 km/h
GLT: 70 km/h

Travel Time from Lougheed Station to Coquitlam City Hall - Table 5.2
SkyTrain: 13 min.
LRT: 21 min.
GLT: 23 min.

Peak Directional Passenger Demand for 2021 - Table 7.1.1
SkyTrain: 5900
LRT: 2600
GLT: 2200

Capital Costs - Demand Based Vehicles - Table 7.2.1
SkyTrain: $834.0 M
LRT: $660.4 M
GLT: $277.6 M

Annual Operating Costs - Table 7.3.3
SkyTrain: $13.8 M
LRT: $10.6 M
GLT: $9.4 M

Regarding the capital cost difference, a bit over $80 M is attributable to the tunnel required for SkyTrain and LRT. The ability to mount grades of up to 13% is one of the primary selling points of the Translohr system. The usual design limit for new LRT systems is around 6% though there are existing lines that are steeper:



Regarding the Coquitlam (Evergreen) Line study, the final recommendation is to build LRT. The SkyTrain option is dismissed due to exceeding a cap on initial capital cost. The GLT option is dismissed due to the technology being considered too new and unproven.
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thx for the explanation

hey speaking of vancouver, what is the status of the LRT construction in the city? i love vancouver are there any infrastructure projects coming, besides the new cable-stayed bridge, such as trams?
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Old February 21st, 2006, 04:33 AM   #357
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thx for the explanation

hey speaking of vancouver, what is the status of the LRT construction in the city? i love vancouver are there any infrastructure projects coming, besides the new cable-stayed bridge, such as trams?
I believe the Canada Line (formerly known as the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver Line) is under construction:

http://www.canadaline.ca/index.asp

I believe the Evergreen Line (formerly known as the Coquitlam Line) is under design development and awaiting decisions on funding:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/Plans_Pro...ne/default.asp
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Old February 21st, 2006, 09:55 AM   #358
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There are plans to have a streetcar to run through parts of downtown. There is already a historic tram that runs for a few blocks, but thats only for show.

More info: http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/engs...ar/phasing.htm
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 03:09 AM   #359
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that evergreen line is like a LRT line in the middle of nowwhere, not exactly integrated too well into the network. but oh well, better than a bus.

one thing i wasn't able to understand: that canada line, is that also LRT (a tram) or a heavier-duty metro-style train?
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 03:25 AM   #360
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in nancy, one of the first one rail tram to be expanded, there was a lot of problems. in fact, the system allow the vehicule to leave the rail and be on the roads just like a bus. the fact it can climb hills was revelant to in the choise for this system.

but the problems has we saw on the scheme of greg cristine's post is the vision. there is also a problem of capacity which is lower than in LRT. The biggest problem in nacy is that the rubber roads were used very quickly, and had to be changed. the vehicule lane were also used very quickly, creating holes on it, and they were changed too.

the nancy tram opened something like tow years late
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