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Old October 27th, 2006, 11:22 AM   #401
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Some very nice designs there - particuarly Bordeaux and Lyon. In Britain, there are many proposals for more tram networks, particuarly in London after the success of the Croydon Tramlink and also across regional cities. That said, France and Germany are probably the world leaders in modern urban tram networks.
France is the country of the Tram with Nantes (planned at the and of 1970's and opened in 1985)
Only three tram system was build before 1985 and those system was renovated in the 1990's

Most French tram networks can be considered as light rail networks since they always run separate from any other road traffic and usually have priority when crossing the road.

Lille 1874 (renovated in 1990's)
Marseille 1878 (closed for renovation and extention opening in 2007)
St Etienne 1881 (renovated in 1990's)
Nantes 1985
Grenoble 1987
Paris 1992
Strasbourg 1994
Rouen 1994
Orleans 2000
Montpellier 2000
Nancy 2001
Lyon 2001
Caen 2002
Bordeaux 2003
Mulhouse 2006
Valencienne 2006
Clermont Ferrand 2006
Le Mans 2007

Mulhouse tram
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Old October 27th, 2006, 11:35 AM   #402
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St Etienne


Grenoble


Rouen


Montpellier



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Paris Tramtrain T4 opened in novenber 2006


Design of the new Marseille tram
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Old October 27th, 2006, 11:56 AM   #403
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:51 PM   #405
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France is the country of the Tram with Nantes (planned at the and of 1970's and opened in 1985)
Only three tram system was build before 1985 and those system was renovated in the 1990's

Most French tram networks can be considered as light rail networks since they always run separate from any other road traffic and usually have priority when crossing the road.

Lille 1874 (renovated in 1990's)
Marseille 1878 (closed for renovation and extention opening in 2007)
St Etienne 1881 (renovated in 1990's)
Nantes 1985
Grenoble 1988
Paris 1992
Strasbourg 1994
Rouen 1994
Orleans 2000
Montpellier 2000
Nancy 2001
Lyon 2001
Bordeaux 2003
Mulhouse 2006
Valencienne 2006
Clermont Ferrand 2006
Le Mans 2007
Grenoble1987 (the 1st version)



Nancy 2001: it's a guided trolleybus



In Caen 2002, almost the same one but it's much more a rubber-tired "tram"



Clermont Ferrand 2006, a rubber-tired "tram" as well:




For more information concerning rubber-tired "trams":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus

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Old October 27th, 2006, 07:23 PM   #406
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i just think that they are so much more appealing then buses...
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Old October 27th, 2006, 07:45 PM   #407
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What advantage shall it have to base "trams" on tires? Less noise? But aren't rail based trams more efficient?
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Old October 27th, 2006, 10:46 PM   #408
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i just think that they are so much more appealing then buses...

No those tramways are a central rail

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Old October 28th, 2006, 06:04 AM   #409
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What advantage shall it have to base "trams" on tires? Less noise? But aren't rail based trams more efficient?
Not necessarily. It's a tradeoff between traction and friction. You can have good performance accelerating and braking, or less rollingi resistance while moving. A tram doesn't move very fast for long periods of time. That increased friction also permits steeper grades. In Theory they should be heaper due to using common tires, but in reality that may not be so true. The other saving comes in only having to use one rail, and not having to worry about keeping the rails aligned.

Time will tell if it is a good idea or not.
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Not necessarily. It's a tradeoff between traction and friction. You can have good performance accelerating and braking, or less rollingi resistance while moving. A tram doesn't move very fast for long periods of time. That increased friction also permits steeper grades. In Theory they should be heaper due to using common tires, but in reality that may not be so true. The other saving comes in only having to use one rail, and not having to worry about keeping the rails aligned.
I tend to believe that trams are simply more cost efficient on the long term. You know the one who buys cheap, buys expensive (in reallity). If I look at the trams in Vienna the vehicles can be used for at least 30 years. Not being dependant on tires saves you a lot of expenses related to it.

Perhaps the most significant advantage of Trams is though that they can be built ultra low floor like in a far easier and most importantly far more efficient way than busses. (or any vehicle using tires). I also guess that trams have higher capacity on the same space.

But I am a rather bloody layman anyway Thanks for the info in your last post.




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Old October 28th, 2006, 05:45 PM   #411
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These trams are just concepts from a student design competition held by Alstom for a next generation tram for Melbourne. They're based on the Citadis, so that explains the similarities.

Winner: YOKOPANO (Monash University)


Second Place: X-Posed (Swinburne University of Technology)


Third Place: Chili Hazard (Monash University)
Looks like they should have paid closer attention to the tracks...


Judge's Award for Innovation: Atlas (RMIT)


We'll probably never get something like it, but they sure are different.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 01:23 AM   #412
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Judge's Award for Innovation: Atlas (RMIT)


We'll probably never get something like it, but they sure are different.
Arrgh, this is surely unusual and futuristic and would probably need some time to get used to its appearance. Really interesting design.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 02:12 AM   #413
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Old October 29th, 2006, 02:43 AM   #414
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No those tramways are a central rail


...so TECHNCALLY, they're monorails?
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No those tramways are a central rail


"This thing" is considered as a road vehicle. Look the license plate ! (above not below )




The TVR (Transport sur Voie Reservée, Transportation on Reserved Lane) replaces the "old" trolleybuses on the same line but now the technological choice done is a "dead-end"...

Old trolleybuses of Nancy:
Unplugged:


Plugged:


New guided trolleybuses (TVR) of Nancy:
Unplugged in non-guided mode:


Plugged in non-guided mode:


Plugged in guided mode:


Plugged in the 2 modes:

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any one have any pics of portland, ore??
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Old October 31st, 2006, 06:01 AM   #419
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I still can't get the use of that. I saw that they have also a steering wheel, so why the guide? Couldn't they just make longer trolleybuses?
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