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Old June 16th, 2014, 03:30 PM   #521
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An don't forget thousands of PCC in Eastern Europe and Russia : the TATRA T3
And Brussels!

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Old June 16th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #522
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How? T1 to T4 were basically PCC technology. CKD Tatra built over 18,600, the biggest number in the world.
Well, it depends on what you mean by saying PPC.
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Old June 16th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #523
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When belgian (La Brugeoise et Nivelles & Ateliers de constructions électriques de Charleroi) or a tchecoslovaquian (Tatra) tram constructor buys all the trade rights and technical licenses concerning motors, electrical systems etc, etc ... to the two US companies which initialy built PC, the result is always - allow the international trade regulations - considered as PCC.
So "it does not dépend" : THEY ARE REAL PCC
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Old June 18th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #524
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Who agrees that soon Spanish CAF and Polish PESA are gonna win the prise for making the most ugly modern trams, especially CAF.
Sorry, Skoda already won that one.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #525
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Are the ones built in Italy by Fiat?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:17 AM   #526
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sorry, nothing - to delete.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #527
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Are the ones built in Italy by Fiat?
Fiat cars also received PCC technology, as the polish cars built by Konstal types 13N and 13M.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #528
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Therefore we have the original PCC. And then Tatra, Konstal and Fiat trams based on PCC's. Right?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:42 PM   #529
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When you say "we have the original PCC", who precisely is "WE" ?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #530
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But... what is the "PCC technology"?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #531
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When you say "we have the original PCC", who precisely is "WE" ?
Slavic languages (at least) tend to use "we have" as equivalent of "there are".
Not sure if this is case for Huungarian.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #532
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Therefore we have the original PCC. And then Tatra, Konstal and Fiat trams based on PCC's. Right?
Konstal didn't buy a licence - Poland took two CKD Tatra T1s and copied the technology. So Konstal 13N would be regarded as PCC technology too.
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Sorry, Skoda already won that one.
Attractiveness is a matter of individual taste, so there are no "winners". Skoda has good designs. I particularly like all the Forcity models:

http://www.skoda.cz/en/products/tramcars/

Alfa (15T) is also the best technology with completely stepless low floor (true 100% low floor, not marketing fib), swivelling bogies, plenty of doors and evenly-spaced, very quiet and good ride. These things are more important than having a pretty facade but not functioning efficiently.
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Imperio by Astra Arad (Romania). Based on Siemens Combino.


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Old July 8th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #535
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New Russian tram R1 (Russia One) by UVZ (Uralvagonzavod).
All photos by Ilya Varlamov. The official presentation will be tomorrow.



More photos in Ilya's blog: http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1112328.html
This tram is based on 71-409 model (the first 100% low-floor tram in CIS) with new design by Alexey Maslov lab. Almost all components are russian-made except for door drives and articulation "accordion". The bogeys in serial trams are expected to be switched to newer ones, so that the space over them could be used better.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #536
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Too..., erh, ...futuristic and difficult to maintain
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Oh I love it! Just gorgeous.
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Too..., erh, ...futuristic and difficult to maintain
Well, I'm not sure about the last part. Only real test rides can show us, if its easy to maintain or not.
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It looks like an Alstom Citadis.
Similar dimension, same kind of doors layout.
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It looks like an Alstom Citadis.
Similar dimension, same kind of doors layout.
You can say that about most modern low floor trams with fixed bogies....
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