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Old May 15th, 2005, 04:46 AM   #81
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Those Bombardier Flexi-Trams are being considered when Toronto has to finally start phasing out its RedRockets and get new Trams. That will start anytime and will take about 15 years as there are over 200. Toronto has the largest tram network in N.A. and yes, bigger than SF.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 08:58 AM   #82
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Old May 19th, 2005, 01:27 PM   #83
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Old May 19th, 2005, 01:40 PM   #84
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Old May 19th, 2005, 04:36 PM   #85
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I live in Antwerp, but that has already been mentioned.

But let's not forget the longest tram route in the world , the Kusttram (Coastal Tramway), which covers the shoreline of Belgium. This tram route is about 70 km long and stops in each city of the Flemish Coast.

































































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Old May 19th, 2005, 05:03 PM   #86
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^how long does it take to travel the full 70km?
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Old May 19th, 2005, 05:23 PM   #87
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Hmm. Other sources say that the world's longest tram route is in Germany, between Krefeld & Witten, via Dusseldorf, Duisburg , Mulheim, Essen, Gelsenkirchen and Bochum. It's 120 km long.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 06:37 PM   #88
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Hmm. Other sources say that the world's longest tram route is in Germany, between Krefeld & Witten, via Dusseldorf, Duisburg , Mulheim, Essen, Gelsenkirchen and Bochum. It's 120 km long.
I think it is not TRAM if it is between cities, then it would be light rail!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 06:40 PM   #89
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From Adinkerke (De Panne) to Knokke is 2 hours and 21 minutes.
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Hm I just read that Paris will have a 77km tram route around the city in 2010, and that this will be the longest tram route in the world. I suppose yours isn't really a tramroute then, WotaN.
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Wuppertal, it s like tram, but from above









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Old May 19th, 2005, 08:27 PM   #92
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Hm I just read that Paris will have a 77km tram route around the city in 2010, and that this will be the longest tram route in the world. I suppose yours isn't really a tramroute then, WotaN.
I think you mean Paris will have 77Km of tramways all located in banlieu, not only one route

Infact nowadays Paris has a very good metro and train system, but not a very large tram system: only two routes in banlieu built at the end of '90s with a total lenght of probably no more than 30Km

Only Milan has a tram system with more than 250km of lenght: I think longest routes in Milan are over 20km
Suburban tramway lines have routes reaching over 30km: now there are just two suburban services working, but once there were dozens (almost all suppressed 'cause in '50s and '60s there was the myth of the bus ), and surely some reached lenght of over 70km
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Old May 20th, 2005, 03:19 AM   #93
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I thought the Wuppertal system was a monorail?
There are some really cool trams, too bad they plaster them with ads so they look like graffi trains.
The CTrain is Calgary doesn't have ads on their trains I don't think and they look so clean and crisp.
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Old May 20th, 2005, 04:13 AM   #94
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Wuppertal, it s like tram, but from above

Thank you for the pictures! Please don't call it a tram. It's way too cool for that.

The Wuppertal Schwebebahn features 20 stations along a 13.3 km (8.3 mile) route and serves about 70,000 passengers per day. The vehicles have a maximum operating speed of 56 km/h (35 mph). Their suspended design allows them to bank through an angle of 15 degrees when rounding curves. The system's popularity can be judged by the number of webpages devoted to it:

http://www.schwebebahn.de/
http://www.schwebebahn-wtal.de/
http://schwebebahn.com/home.asp
http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Wuprtal.html
http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Wupcard1.html
http://www.elevator-world.com/magazi...2-001.html-ssi
http://ktransit.com/transit/Germany/...l/wup_mono.htm
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/vrr/wuppertal.htm
http://www.u-bahnen-in-deutschland.d...al-gallery.htm
http://www.wsw-online.de/schwebebahn/sprachen/deutsch
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Old May 20th, 2005, 09:33 AM   #95
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I think you mean Paris will have 77Km of tramways all located in banlieu, not only one route

Infact nowadays Paris has a very good metro and train system, but not a very large tram system: only two routes in banlieu built at the end of '90s with a total lenght of probably no more than 30Km

Only Milan has a tram system with more than 250km of lenght: I think longest routes in Milan are over 20km
Suburban tramway lines have routes reaching over 30km: now there are just two suburban services working, but once there were dozens (almost all suppressed 'cause in '50s and '60s there was the myth of the bus ), and surely some reached lenght of over 70km
There are still a few more cities with tram lengths larger than Milan. I believe Melbourne and Vienna are pretty close to being on par with Milan, Moscow and St. Petersburg have the longest (between 300-450km route), and a couple more I can't think of at the moment.

Then of cause, there are metropolitan area's with more than 250km route of tram, such as the Rhein Ruhr, although each network is seperated from each other, they are connected by suburban rail links, and when looking at total rail infrastructure in the metro they can be counted all together.
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Yes i think counting all Ruhr tram network total lenght is surely impressive. It would be interesting to know how many km of tramways there are in whole Rhein Ruhr
Germany is one of the nations where tram webs remain when many others in rest of Western Europe dismantled their networks converting public transport with busses

Other cities with impressive networks I think they are Brussels, Berlin and Budapest...

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When I wrote "only in Milan" I meant "for example a city like Milan has a 250 km tram network" to compare with (future) 77km of lenght of Paris
I didn't mean "it is just Milan to have such a big network"...
I know Milan hasn't the biggest tram network (even if it is big)
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Yes i think counting all Ruhr tram network total lenght is surely impressive. It would be interesting to know how many km of tramways there are in whole Rhein Ruhr
Germany is one of the nations where tram web remain when many others dismantled their networks converting public transport with busses

Other cities with impressive networks I think they are Brussels, Berlin and Budapest...
Actually, I compiled a list of the top 10 tram networks in the world based on metropolitan area's, which included all of the trams in the Rhein Ruhr metro along with others. It took me days to work it all out, sourcing information from various websites, emails to tram organizations and books.

I posted it here at SSC, and it was unfortunately a victim of the first stage of "pruning" on this site and deleted. I never saved it anywhere else, and have now lost all the information.

I just don't have the time, and heart to do all the work again. But it was a facinating list.
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http://www.verkeerskunde.nl/nieuws2000a/parijs.htm

I don't think much people understand Dutch, but the first sentences say:
"The longest tram route in the world will come around Paris. In 2010, a 77km tram circle will have to 'embrace' the whole city."
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http://www.verkeerskunde.nl/nieuws2000a/parijs.htm

I don't think much people understand Dutch, but the first sentences say:
"The longest tram route in the world will come around Paris. In 2010, a 77km tram circle will have to 'embrace' the whole city."
Then they will unite the two existing routes forming a ring around Boulevard Periferique (a little larger to reach 77km of lenght)
But it remains that this ring of 77km will coincide with the total lenght of Paris "web" (at the end, as it seem to be, formed by only one route, even if very long)

Here is Ratp web site (in French) http://extension-reseau.ratp.fr/tools/plandusite.html : if I didn' understant in wrong way the two lines (T1 and T2) will be extended "step by step" till they will close the ring around the city
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Thank you for the pictures! Please don't call it a tram. It's way too cool for that.
Amazing Wuppertal!!
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