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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:39 AM   #241
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Didn't know there existed 18-metre-long metro cars with a 5-door configuration. Usually, the most doors an 18 m metro car is four.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 12:42 PM   #242
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Last month, Tokyo Metro and Tobu Railway revealed plans to introduce new rolling stock on the Hibiya Line and Tobu Skytree Line (Isezaki Line) run-through services. These will be standardized 20m length stock, with four doors per car. Current rolling stock is 18m length, with both 5 door and 3 door configurations. Introduction of standard length cars with 4 doors/side will allow the installation of platform doors at all Hibiya Line stations. The new rolling stock will be introduced between FY2016~2019.
That's really good news - anything to standardise stock more so that users benefit. Plus the replacement of older stock and general modernisation of the system is welcomed. Do you think this will set a precedent with other through-running services?
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:27 PM   #243
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Other Tokyo Metro through running services are already standardized on 20m length rolling stock, I think this is just to get the holdout Hibiya Line (it was the first 1067mm gauge subway line in Tokyo to be built) in the fold.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #244
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Saikyo Line (8am~9am): 17tph, ~4 min. headways (at Akabane, up direction)

Shonan-Shinjuku Line (8am~9am): 6tph (at Akabane, Ofuna direction)

Tohoku Line (8am~9am): 9tph (at Akabane, up direction)
Thanks a ton. Would you happen to also have the Takasaki Line, and it's associated branches (Agatsuma, Shin-etsu, etc.)?
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Old May 18th, 2014, 04:01 PM   #245
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The main provider of service is Nishi Tokyo Bus. Their route map is here:
http://www.nisitokyobus.co.jp/rosen/...p_20140401.pdf

Toei Bus also has a group of services radiating out of Oume Station, quite isolated from their core services serving the inner of the 23 wards of Tokyo.
Interesting how there's a major bus corridor out from the Itsukaichi Line terminus along Hinohara Hwy. Might there someday be a rail extension along that route?
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Old May 18th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #246
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Wait... How can the hibiya line handle those car lengths without some serious construction happening? Otherwise they could've used regular Toyoko line train when there were through services prior to the Fukutoshin line connection.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #247
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Sotetsu-Tokyu Toyoko link information!

I was recently back in Hiyoshi, Yokohama where I used to live and saw that they've started taking soil samples and putting up construction notices for this major project!



This project aims to build a tunnel connecting the western Sotetsu Main line near Nishiya station to the Tokyu Toyoko line at Hiyoshi station, with stops at Hazawa, Shin-Yokohama, and Tsunashima (but east of the Toyoko Line station, so maybe it'll be called 'Shin-Tsunashima')

Plans are to have trains from both the Toyoko Line and Meguro line through service into the tunnel and continue to either Ebina or Shonandai on the Sotetsu Main line and Izumino lines respectively.

The set up for Hiyoshi station has been finalized according to this diagram.


current configuration


completed configuration
  • Some things are very apparent when looking at this configuration...
  • The Meguro line will only turn around half as many trains after this-- There's only room for one train sitting in the layover track. The rest will continue on to the new through line... or perhaps the Toyoko line too, and it can happen now because--
  • The Meguro line trains will go from 6 cars to 8 cars. There's always been room to handle them on the Meguro line and also on the Toei Mita and Tokyo Metro Namboku lines. Look how much longer that layover track is...of course that also means some of these 8 car Meguro line trains could run all the way down on the Toyoko line too...and just turn around at Kikuna. Lots of possibilities.
  • It could happen the other way as well-- that turn around track is long-- so 10 car trains can fit from the looks of it. Meaning express 10 car Toyoko Line trains can short-run here, just like they did in the past.

Here's a little graphic on how they're going to split the elevated section just beyond Hiyoshi station so that the tunnel mouth can be made.


And here is a Google Map of the new alignment.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 02:33 PM   #248
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Wait... How can the hibiya line handle those car lengths without some serious construction happening?
The new 20m car length trains will be 7 car formation, compared with 8 cars at present, so no need to lengthen platforms, which would be a potentially expensive proposition for underground stations.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #249
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Would you happen to also have the Takasaki Line, and it's associated branches (Agatsuma, Shin-etsu, etc.)?
Takasaki Line, Ageo Sta. up direction 7am~8am hour: 14tph (includes Shonan Shinjuku Line trains)

Shin-etsu Line branch: at Annaka Sta., morning peak 2 tph up direction

Agatsuma Line: 1tph

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Plans are to have trains from both the Toyoko Line and Meguro line through service into the tunnel and continue to either Ebina or Shonandai on the Sotetsu Main line and Izumino lines respectively.
As it was with the opening of the Toyoko Line/Fukutoshin Line direct service, it will be interesting to see the train pathing/proportion of services divvied out between the various operators. Quick perusal of internet speculation has most of the trains off Sotetsu going to the Meguro Line, with at most 2 or 3 trains using the Toyoko Line to Shibuya at peak hours. Apparently Seibu has already stated they are not interested in linking up with Sotetsu, and Tobu has yet to comment. Understandable, as the Yokohama suburbs have little commercial attraction to them.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #251
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Tokaido Line (Kawasaki Sta.)
18tph peak/4tph off-peak

Keihin Tohoku Line (Kawasaki Sta.)
18 tph/10tph

Joban Line (Kita-Senju Sta.)
local service
8 tph/3tph
rapid service
8tph/3tph

Yokusoka/Sobu Line (Musashi Kosugi Sta.)
8tph/6tph

Keio Main Line (Meidaimae Sta.)
28tph/21tph

Chuo Line Rapid (Nakano Sta.)
27tph/14tph

Saikyo Line (8am~9am): 17tph, ~4 min. headways (at Akabane, up direction)

Shonan-Shinjuku Line (8am~9am): 6tph (at Akabane, Ofuna direction)

Tohoku Line (8am~9am): 9tph (at Akabane, up direction)


Takasaki Line, Ageo Sta. up direction 7am~8am hour: 14tph (includes Shonan-Shinjuku Line trains)

Takasaki Line minus Shonan-Shinjuku Line 8tph

Shin-etsu Line branch: at Annaka Sta., morning peak 2 tph up direction

Agatsuma Line: 1tph

Takasaki Line and Tohoku Line combined 17tph
Joban Rapid plus Takasaki/Tohoku is 25 tph by my count.

This is less than what Keiyo and Chuo Rapid have. Why are they having issues getting the schedules through the Ueno-Tokyo Line?

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Old May 19th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #252
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Last month, Tokyo Metro and Tobu Railway revealed plans to introduce new rolling stock on the Hibiya Line and Tobu Skytree Line (Isezaki Line) run-through services. These will be standardized 20m length stock, with four doors per car. Current rolling stock is 18m length, with both 5 door and 3 door configurations. Introduction of standard length cars with 4 doors/side will allow the installation of platform doors at all Hibiya Line stations. The new rolling stock will be introduced between FY2016~2019.
Is this going to allow through running to resume between the Hibiya line and the Toyoko line? I think I remember reading that the odd rolling stock was among the main reasons that they eliminated it. There are still about 5-6 kakutei trains per hour from the Toyoko line that turn at Shibuya. And perhaps they will turn even more than this after the connection is made with Sotetsu.

It does seem like a shame to have that connection but not use it, although I guess it's not strictly necessary either since people heading from the Toyoko line to the Tokyo Station area can already use the Meguro/Mita line. There is also the difference between 7 and 8 car rolling stock (I assume that adding 16m to the platforms on the Hibiya line would be cost prohibitive.) Plus the extra trains terminating at Shibuya might deliver more value to riders in the end anyway.

At any rate, the service patterns on the Tokyu network just keep getting more intricate and interesting. It's absolutely fascinating.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #253
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This is less than what Keiyo and Chuo Rapid have. Why are they having issues getting the schedules through the Ueno-Tokyo Line?
JR East is planning a cautious 15tph on initial opening of the Ueno-Tokyo Line, going up to 20tph one year later. You have to consider that those trains will likely continue running on the Tokaido Line south to Kozu or Odawara/Atami, and supplement if not replace existing Tokaido Line services.
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Is this going to allow through running to resume between the Hibiya line and the Toyoko line? I think I remember reading that the odd rolling stock was among the main reasons that they eliminated it. There are still about 5-6 kakutei trains per hour from the Toyoko line that turn at Shibuya. And perhaps they will turn even more than this after the connection is made with Sotetsu.

It does seem like a shame to have that connection but not use it, although I guess it's not strictly necessary either since people heading from the Toyoko line to the Tokyo Station area can already use the Meguro/Mita line.
If they are switching to 20m car 7 car trains, then that could make for some interesting movements not only off the Hibiya line, but from the Tobu Isesaki/Skytree line as well.

The Shin-Yokohama line (my name for it, not theirs) will have turnback facilities there as well, so trains can short-run to Shin-Yokohama and turn back just as they do at Kikuna.

2019/2020 will be a very interesting time indeed!
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The Shin-Yokohama line (my name for it, not theirs) will have turnback facilities there as well, so trains can short-run to Shin-Yokohama and turn back just as they do at Kikuna.
Yes, the station layout there is a two platform arrangement with three tracks, the center track being served by two platforms, akin to some stations on the Seibu Shinjuku Line (and similarly used for turnback 折り返しservices). Preliminary plans have peak 14 up direction trains/hour (towards Hiyoshi), with 4 of these originating from the turnback track. Seems they are counting on a lot of passengers coming off the JR Yokohama Line and subway.
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Tokyo's loop rail line to have 30th station by 2020 Olympics
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TOKYO (Kyodo) -- East Japan Railway Co.'s Yamanote loop line that circulates Tokyo's downtown hubs will have its 30th station completed before the staging of the 2020 Olympics in the capital, a JR official said Saturday.

The first new station to be built on the line since 1971 will be located between Shinagawa and Tamachi stations on the Minato ward waterfront, with construction starting as early as next spring, the official said.

The plan is part of a redevelopment project for about 10 to 15 hectares of the 20-hectare Shinagawa rail yard, which will be spurred by the interlink slated for March between lines linking Tokyo with northeastern Japan and the Tokaido line stretching to the west.

The area close to Haneda airport is expected to develop as Tokyo's new gateway, with construction of a new railroad to connect downtown Tokyo and the airport under consideration along with a special economic zone to attract foreign companies, according to the project.

The project is being undertaken by a panel led by JR East, the metropolitan government and the Minato ward office.

http://mainichi.jp/english/english/n...dm037000c.html
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JR Press release on the new station on the Yamanote Line.
http://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2014/20140604.pdf

The tracks of the Yamanote Line and the Keihin Tohuku Line will be move to the east, pretty much to the middle of the current railway yard. The station will located 0.9 km from Shinagawa Station and 1.3 km from Tamachi Station.

The western side of the yard will be developed, the aim is to turn it into an international business district.

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The press release also had this image of the station. It's a bit vague but it shows a big pedestrian deck with pavilions and water features above street and track level underneath a massive glass roof. It will be interesting to see how this will actually turn out since it looks nothing like any station in Tokyo or even Japan.

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Will the rail yard where the planned Yamanote Line station is at be removed, buried underground, or covered up for the redevelopment?
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The yard has already become much smaller, all the facilities for track and rolling stock maintenance have been moved to other locations outside of central Tokyo. What remains is a smaller area where the trains are being parked and can be cleaned. Over the last couple of years this was constructed on the western part of the yard, the area between the future site of the new station and the Tokaido Line tracks.

On the most recent images on Google Earth (march 2014) you can already see that the new yard is in use and that the Eastern part is completely empty.
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JR Press release on the new station on the Yamanote Line.
http://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2014/20140604.pdf

The tracks of the Yamanote Line and the Keihin Tohuku Line will be move to the east, pretty much to the middle of the current railway yard. The station will located 0.9 km from Shinagawa Station and 1.3 km from Tamachi Station.

The western side of the yard will be developed, the aim is to turn it into an international business district.

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The press release also had this image of the station. It's a bit vague but it shows a big pedestrian deck with pavilions and water features above street and track level underneath a massive glass roof. It will be interesting to see how this will actually turn out since it looks nothing like any station in Tokyo or even Japan.

There is a central concept that a group of very bright people seem to have worked out that is portrayed in the computer sketch with a delightful "simplification."

LOL!

Take the classical multiple track through station and open the normal passage way with it's traditional wall of stores, and, unwrap it into an open piazza like space.

Now, esteemed friends, just how good is your team going to be with the follow through portion of the "golf stroke?"
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