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Old January 17th, 2017, 05:24 AM   #101
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Frank Gehry should be banned from building in the United States and every building he's ever built here should be demolished. He's the worst architect in the universe.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 11:07 AM   #102
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People may think Stern's style of architecture automatically discredits him, but his record speaks for itself: multiple high-profile projects currently being built in New York City, major projects for some of the most important educational institutions in America, major international projects, including neighborhood-scale developments in China, etc.
No one says that his architectural style automatically discredits his work, it's just plain postmodernism, and of course time will show what's truly iconic and what is plain with little to no care for materials and delicate details, remember time will sort out everything and then we'll see if it was Art Deco what they meant, or even better I have a new name for it that describes his style even better, it shall be called Faux Deco. By the way have you ever heard about Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture? If not please check their megatall structures in some of the countries that you mention yourself, you'll see what's the epitome of major international projects.

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And Stern "ruining" the heart of New York? Please. He's an architect of the revival of Times Square, the architect of the building that ushered in this incredible luxury development boom, and the architect that's written the definitive survey of New York City architecture. Architects like Stern fiercely defend the heart of New York against bland and outre faddish architecture.

I'm sorry I'm not sure if I get this correctly, or not, but did you just described the rest of Manhattan as bland and outre faddish architecture, oh wow, there goes the respect for the real icons. Also have you ever heard about Roman and Williams | buildings and interiors? If not, I have to tell you that if there was someone that needed to defend New York from bland and outre faddish architecture it should have been them, I hope you'll get what I mean. People with such meaningful concept and delicate understanding of the historical styles should be behind the bigger projects of this city. Maybe we would've seen major revivals, but then again all the potential with this (as you say) incredible luxury development boom have already been used, better luck and hopefully far better style and materials next time!
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Old January 17th, 2017, 08:43 PM   #103
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And Stern "ruining" the heart of New York? Please. He's an architect of the revival of Times Square, the architect of the building that ushered in this incredible luxury development boom, and the architect that's written the definitive survey of New York City architecture. Architects like Stern fiercely defend the heart of New York against bland and outre faddish architecture.
What architecture is there in Times Square? Its just wall to wall billboards ... its almost the absence of architecture.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 08:49 PM   #104
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I agree it's one of those tacky tourists traps, sorry. During my visit of The States this summer I believe I am going to skip that part of New York, I'd rather go and see buildings that truly matter for example 1WTC with its stunning surrounding not to mention the magnificent Calatrava's hub which is basically a modern temple.
Edit: and oh, do I want to see something mega by Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill in New York, I just can't get enough of Wuhan's Greenland Center, hopefully one day we'll see something like that in New York it will be the shiniest diamond in this beautiful city which I love so much.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #105
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No thanks, all megatalls by AS+GG are variations of Burj Khalifa - it works for Greenland Center and fails badly with Jeddah Tower, and it's kinda like the Simpsons episode where Marge keeps altering an expensive dress to look rich. Quite an epitome you have there.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 09:44 PM   #106
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Okay then if Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill don't have a clue about architecture then some others obviously have essential discernment especially when it comes to precast lovers, like terracotta is far too expensive, or so?

Hooray! You should all build a time machine and fly directly in the 30's which might not be that bad at all, I'm sure it'll be great since I love most of those buildings and unlike others I have real admiration for them I don't accept everything that tries to be sold as something from the 30's while it's not. I don't want the users to get a feeling that I don't like Stern or whatsoever, infact if I spot improvements I'll be the first to prize them, but for now, nothing. Also I'll stay in this century because I do know how to appreciate the marvels of the 21st century and the ingenuity of the minds behind them.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 10:47 PM   #107
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Terracotta is cool, which is why I'd be more likely to use that "epitome" word for SHoP after their last few designs in NYC.
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I agree completely about SHoP, they do have excellent designs in their pockets I used to prize them in the threads dedicated to their projects. However, hateman was speaking about "major international projects, in China, etc". AS+GG were the first that came in my mind in that context.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #109
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Model of Vessel that shows the Elevator section nicely ... plus one of the Air Vent Tower/Outbuildings for the Rail yard below the deck. I bet there will be some small retail/casual dining options in that building.



Looks like disabled visitors will be restricted to the platforms where the elevator discharges people.
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Should've put a circular glass elevator in the center.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #111
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I wouldn't use an elevator that discharged me, especially if I were disabled.

To quote a stand-up comedian I like, though: "You're in a wheelchair. There are some things you just can't do." Yes, a sculpture made of stairs isn't ideal for the disabled, but you can't be 100% inclusive with everything or nothing would ever be built. Some things in this world some people just can't use. Unfortunately for them they gotta settle for the measly billions of things that they are able to do.
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Model of Vessel that shows the Elevator section nicely ... plus one of the Air Vent Tower/Outbuildings for the Rail yard below the deck. I bet there will be some small retail/casual dining options in that building

Adaptive reuse of ventilation buildings in absolutely necessary in a city where space is at a premium also brings it only adds to the urban fabric.
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Adaptive reuse of ventilation buildings in absolutely necessary in a city where space is at a premium also brings it only adds to the urban fabric.
Would be a good spot for restrooms maybe ...
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Would be a good spot for restrooms maybe ...


Restrooms or food vendors. Porque no los dos.
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Probably a food vendor. There are restrooms in the mall and the cafe building closer to 35th Street in that cool metal building with the smoke stack.
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View From The Ohm, NYC by Steven J. Messina, on Flickr
Vessel's Crane all set up ...
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how does that bendy elevator work?
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