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Old June 8th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #1
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Saint Peter Basilica's replicas

Here You can find some replicas of the Saint Peter Basilica in Rome:
http://rerumromanarum.blogspot.it/20...ca-di-san.html

Do You know others?
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Old June 8th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #2
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Yes I do, there is also a copy in The Netherlands:


source: wikimedia commons

Oudenbosch Basilica (Basiliek van de H.H. Agatha en Barbara) in Oudenbosch (pop. 12.500), The Netherlands.
Built between 1867 and 1880, it's a smaller version of St. Peter in Rome, with a facade that is a copy of St. John Lateran, also in Rome.

It is located here (Google maps), and the good thing is: you can Streetview all around it!

An interior shot, complete with "Bernini" baldacchino: (more can be found via wikimedia commons)


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Old June 10th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #3
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Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia

The cathedral built by the architect Voronikihin was inspired by St. Peter's Church, although it is certainly not a copy or a replica:


http://900igr.net/datai/istorija/Rus...Voronikhin.jpg


http://www.welcometospbru.com/assets...ions/kazan.jpg


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http://www.photoforum.ru/f/photo/000/526/526565_69.jpg


http://www.bogoslov.ru/data/485/401/1234/1IMG_1869.JPG


http://www.photoforum.ru/f/photo/000/728/728757_41.jpg

The original plan included two collonades on the opposite sides of the cathedral:



but for a number of reasons the second collonade was not built:

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Old June 14th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #4
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Second copy in The Netherlands (and also located in Oudenbosch):


St. Louis Kapel, Oudenbosch Nederland, source: Wikimedia Commons

St. Louis Chapel (Kapel St. Louis van de Broeders van de Heilige Aloysius) in Oudenbosch (pop. 12.500), The Netherlands.
Built in 1865, it has a facade which is inspired by St. John Lateran, and a dome which is inspired by St. Peters, also in Rome.

It's located here (Google maps), about 200 meters from the other St. Peters-inspired building, the before mentioned Oudenbosch Basilica.


St. Louis Kapel, Oudenbosch Nederland, source: Panoramio.com, username: Bengeltje

An interiour shot, looking towards the altar:

Interior St. Louis Kapel, Oudenbosch, source: Wikimedia Commons

These two St. Pietro/St. Giovanni copies result in an interesting skyline for a town with just 12.600 inhabitants:

Skyline Oudenbosch Nederland, Source: www.rewin.nl
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Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia

The cathedral built by the architect Voronikihin was inspired by St. Peter's Church, although it is certainly not a copy or a replica:


http://900igr.net/datai/istorija/Rus...Voronikhin.jpg
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Old June 15th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #6
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Berlin Cathedral, never intended to be an exact replica/copy, but intended to be the protestant equivalent to catholic St. Peters:

Berliner Dom / Berlin by Sebastian Warneke, on Flickr

Berliner, Dom That. by AJ Brustein, on Flickr

Berliner Dom by til213, on Flickr

Berliner Dom by til213, on Flickr
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Second copy in The Netherlands (and also located in Oudenbosch):

These two St. Pietro/St. Giovanni copies result in an interesting skyline for a town with just 12.600 inhabitants:
Is there any particular reason why such a small town has these two large churches inspired on St. Peters? I find it quite interesting.
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Old June 15th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #8
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It's a semi-long story, but I hope I made it interesting enough to read!


Pastoor Willem Hellemons (1810-1884) (Source: www.knr.nl)

In 1865 pastor Willem Hellemons convinced the Oudenbosch inhabitants (3500 at that time) that
the old Oudenbosch church (built in 1513) had become too small and dilapidated, and that a new
church should be built.

Pastor Hellemons had studied in Rome when he was younger, and when studying there, he was
impressed by the Catholic architecture in the Eternal City. So he decided that the new Oudenbosch
church should breath the same style and atmosphere as the buildings he had once seen in Rome.


(Source: www.vakantielandnederland.nl)

So a replica of St. Peters was built, but when the dome and the choir were finished, money ran out.
People from other villages looked at the new yet unfinished Oudenbosch church with a mixture of
disbelief and mockery. They said among themselves: "Look at those crazy Oudenbosch people with
their expensive church, they have de koepel in de kop (loosely translated: a dome in their brains).


Oudenbosch Basilica inside his big brother. (source: www.edvanaken.nl)

But pastor Hellemons paid no attention to that, instead he paid another architect, Gerardus Jacobus
van Swaaij
, to begin building yet another "St. Peters" dome in Oudenbosch. This time, it was the
smaller dome of the St. Louis Chapel, built for the Oudenbosch Brotherhood Congregation, which
was established by... indeed, our busy beaver pastor Hellemons.

So architect Swaaij built the St. Louis Dome, but he finished the building with a facade that was
inspired by St. John Lateran. (Probably because a "St. Peters" facade wouldn't fit this smaller
chapel.) Apparently the Oudenboschians liked this idea, so when the money issues on the Oudenbosch
Basilica had been solved, they contracted architect Swaaij to also build a St. John Lateran facade in
front of the unfinished Oudenbosch Basilica.

And that is the story about how a small North Brabant village built two St. Peters replica churches.


The two Oudenbosch domes. Source: www.yesteryear.nl

A strange thing is that the architect of the Oudenbosch Basilica was Pierre Cuypers. P. Cuypers is
well known in The Netherlands (and beyond) for building the Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam Central Station,
Haarzuilens Castle, the restauration of Muiden Castle, the Ridderzaal (Knights Hall) in The Hague, and
for many other neogothic churches and other buildings in The Netherlands.
So Cuypers usually built Neogothic buildings (as you can see in the links above), no Neoclassical ones.
Yet for Oudenbosch Basilica he made an exception, so this church makes for a Fremdkörper in his oeuvre.


A typical Cuypers building: De Haar Castle in Haarzuilens.
Source: wikimedia commons
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Thanks! Quite interesting story. I'll be sure not to miss it on my next trip to the Netherlands!

The funny thing is that it looks huge on this photo:
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An interior shot, complete with "Bernini" baldacchino: (more can be found via wikimedia commons)


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But then when you compare it with the original:
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Oudenbosch Basilica inside his big brother. (source: www.edvanaken.nl)
Man, Saint Peters is really a gigantic church!
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Basilique Marie-Reine-du-Monde, Montréal, Québec, Canada.
Mary-Queen-of-the-World Basilica is a 1/3 scaled down replica of Saint-Peter's.









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Thanks! Quite interesting story. I'll be sure not to miss it on my next trip to the Netherlands!
You're welcome. And you should! The western part of Noord Brabant (the area around Oudenbosch) is quite nice, with beautiful medieval cities like Breda and Bergen op Zoom.

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The funny thing is that it looks huge on this photo:
But then when you compare it with the original:

Man, Saint Peters is really a gigantic church!
Yes, on the first interior shot the Oudenbosch basilica looks quite big, but then you realise that in St. Peters you can't touch the top of the plinths when reaching for them, while in Oudenbosch the benches (about 1 meter in height) are on the same level as the plinth
And where St. Peters' dome begins, the Oudenbosch' dome ends.
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Basilique Marie-Reine-du-Monde, Montréal, Québec, Canada.
Mary-Queen-of-the-World Basilica is a 1/3 scaled down replica of Saint-Peter's.

I have seen this cathedral - so beautiful.
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It's a semi-long story, but I hope I made it interesting enough to read!



In 1865 pastor Willem Hellemons convinced the Oudenbosch inhabitants (3500 at that time) that
the old Oudenbosch church (built in 1513) had become too small and dilapidated, and that a new
church should be built.

Pastor Hellemons had studied in Rome when he was younger, and when studying there, he was
impressed by the Catholic architecture in the Eternal City. So he decided that the new Oudenbosch
church should breath the same style and atmosphere as the buildings he had once seen in Rome.
Fascinating story! Thank you. I would like to visit that church.
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You're welcome. And you should! The western part of Noord Brabant (the area around Oudenbosch) is quite nice, with beautiful medieval cities like Breda and Bergen op Zoom.
I've actually been in Breda already, beautiful cathedral. Unfortunately I ignored that Oudenbosch even existed by then... such a shame as it is so close to Breda!
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It's a semi-long story, but I hope I made it interesting enough to read!


Pastoor Willem Hellemons (1810-1884) (Source: www.knr.nl)
This story is very interesting. Thanks!
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Wonderful photos of Notre Dame de la Paix!
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As I see - the Basilic in Yamasukro is not the greatest church/cathedra/basilic on the world, and to - isn't bigger than Basilic St.Peter in Vatican.
Do you can confirm it ?

I can't absolutely understand it that in "World Top List of The Biggest ..." Yamasukro is presented as "Number 1".

You can see good that Basilica in Yamasukro can show only dome, very big dome (in the class of length and width).
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Saint Peter Basilica's Dome (1590) is a replica to Florence Cathedral's Dome (1436) and that is replica to Rome Pantheon Dome (126).

Saint Peter Basilica's Dome is higher (138 m vs 114 m) but smaller in diameter (41 m vs 44 m Florence vs 43 m Pantheon)



That is because Michelangelo is from Florence. Michelangelo redesigned the dome to be largest only for Pope eyes but not truly.

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What you think about the similarity of St.Peter Basilica's and Yamasukro ? Which one is bigger ?
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