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Old August 23rd, 2014, 08:31 PM   #21
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Next you're going to argue that Taipei has a better skyline than New York because New York has no 500m building. You're now embarrassing yourself for all here to see.

Moscow builds a 339m building and one that's 302m and you think that automatically vaults it into a top 10 and ahead of tons of other cities with bigger skylines?
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Next you're going to argue that Taipei has a better skyline than New York because New York has no 500m building. You're now embarrassing yourself for all here to see. Moscow builds a 339m building and one that's 302m and you think that automatically vaults it into a top 10 and ahead of tons of other cities with bigger skylines?
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Next you're going to argue that Taipei has a better skyline than New York because New York has no 500m building. You're now embarrassing yourself for all here to see.

Moscow builds a 339m building and one that's 302m and you think that automatically vaults it into a top 10 and ahead of tons of other cities with bigger skylines?
Top10? No. Top 20. Yes. Moscow has 5 supertalls (373/352/339/309/302). But it does not give a good Skyline. Just in Moscow a lot of tall buildings, and not only in the MIBC Maybe Toronto, Chicago and New York, he is not overtaken. But other cities in North America are much worse skyline. It always amazes me how you underestimate Moscow.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 10:30 AM   #26
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Pls don't forget the Chinese Capital: BEIJING (the Northern Capital)
















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OOOOOOPS, and don't forget the former Chinese Capital: NANJING (the Southern Capital)


















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Old August 25th, 2014, 12:48 PM   #28
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Busan just misses my cut off. It has better presence and balance than much larger Seoul, but gets nipped at the tape by a few other skylines. I really like the Busan skyline, but it needs a few more towers to get in the conversation.
Busan needs a few more towers to get in the conversation?
Actually, Busan already has similar amount of towers or more towers than some cities on the lists, even on your some Top 20 cities.

OK, let's briefly compare Busan with Toronto then.
Toronto is ranked 7th on your list while Busan didn't make it any one's list here.

According to CTBUH, Toronto has 11 completed buildings over 200m without a building over 300m.
Busan also has 11 completed buildings over 200m with a building over 300.(BIFC is already completed)

In conclusion, Busan and Toronto have same 11 completed towers over 200m.
Howerever, you make Toronto as no.7 on the list while Busan is still not enough to get even in the conversation?
What makes you Toronto so high?
Isn't it just because Toronto is your beloved canadian city since you are from Canada?

Don't get me wrong.
I am not arguing that Busan has to be on the list or Toronto has to be lower on the list since I don't care the rankings here.

I merely want to point out that some people have bised views here. That's all.

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Toronto http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/crea...TOR&search=yes

Busan : http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/crea...PUS&search=yes
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Old August 25th, 2014, 02:10 PM   #29
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Old August 25th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #30
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As for Moscow, I carefully looked into the data of Moscow, even though many sources are not that reliable.

Anyway, according to CTBUH, Moscow actually has already 10 completed towers over 200m, which is already very comparable to Toronto.
I mean Mosow is quite different to Taipei which has only 4 towers over 200m.
My point is that Moscow is already an affluent city in terms of the number of tall skyscrapers.

Don't get me wrong,
I am not saying that Moscow has to be in top 10 or any position on the list.
I am saying that Moscow is not a city which has only few tall towers like Taipei. That's it.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 02:33 PM   #31
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Moscow has 15 200+ towers (19 190+)
1 OKO South ( U/C Now ~ 345m after completed 352m)
2 Mercury (Com. 339m)
3 Federation East (U/C now ~ 330m after completed 373m)
4 Eurasia (T/O 309m)
5 CoC Moscow (Com. 302m)
6 Naberezhnaya Tower C (Com. 268m)
7 Triumph-Palace (Com. 264m)
8 CoC SpB (Com. 257m)
9 Evolution (T/O after installing crown 255m)
10 OKO North (T/O 245m)
11 Federation West (Com. 242m)
12 MSU main building (Com. 240m)
13 Imperia (Com. 239m)
14 Mosfilm tower 1 (Com 213m)
15 Hotel Ukraina (Com 206m)

16 Mirax Plaza A (T/O 193m)
17 Tricolor 1 (T/O 192m)
18 Tricolor 2 (T/O 192m)
19 Continental ( Com. 191m)
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Old August 25th, 2014, 02:40 PM   #32
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Moscow has 15 200+ towers (19 190+)
1 Mercury (Com. 339m)
2 CoC Moscow (Com. 302m)
3 Naberezhnaya Tower C (Com. 268m)
4 Triumph-Palace (Com. 264m)
5 CoC SpB (Com. 257m)
6 Federation West (Com. 242m)
7 MSU main building (Com. 240m)
8 Imperia (Com. 239m)
9 Mosfilm tower 1 (Com 213m)
10 Hotel Ukraina (Com 206m)
I count only completed towers, not T/O buildings and U/C.
If we count T/O buildings, of course, the number of buildings in many cities would be changed.

I erased your T/O buildings, U/C ones and a tower below 200m, then Moscow has 10 completed towers after all in your data.
The same number from CTBUH,

Anyway, don't worry, brothers from Russia.
The city which has 10 completed towers is already very an affulent city, Moreover, Moscow has really promising and bright future to the road to super-skyscrapercity with lot of U/C.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 03:32 AM   #33
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As for Moscow, I carefully looked into the data of Moscow, even though many sources are not that reliable.

Anyway, according to CTBUH, Moscow actually has already 10 completed towers over 200m, which is already very comparable to Toronto.
Toronto is at 11 200m+ buildings completed with another 4 topped out so Toronto's number is basically at 15 today. Moscow isn't far behind in this category, but when one looks at all buildings in different height categories, Toronto is noticeably larger.

Built 300m+
Toronto 0 (CN Tower: to argue that it has no visual impact is ridiculous, but I'll exclude it to make certain people happy)
Moscow 2

Built 200-299m
Toronto 11
Moscow 10

Built 100-199m
Toronto 202
Moscow 122


When one also includes buildings U/C and Proposed, Toronto's lead over Moscow widens even further.


Built, U/C, Proposed 300m+
Toronto 2
Moscow 5

Built, U/C, Proposed 200-299m
Toronto 35
Moscow 14

Built, U/C, Proposed 100-199m
Toronto 377
Moscow 137


One really only need look at photos to realize that the Toronto skyline is considerably bigger than Moscow's. This is only part of the downtown:


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Top10? No. Top 20. Yes. Moscow has 5 supertalls (373/352/339/309/302). But it does not give a good Skyline. Just in Moscow a lot of tall buildings, and not only in the MIBC Maybe Toronto, Chicago and New York, he is not overtaken. But other cities in North America are much worse skyline. It always amazes me how you underestimate Moscow.
Arguing that Moscow is misplaced in a top 10 doesn't mean someone is underestimating Moscow's skyline. It is my opinion, but it's also one based on looking at the data and trying to be objective. Quantitatively, the data suggests that Moscow is 20th largest in the world so my views on the Moscow skyline aren't off base. We should also consider what's built or exists today, not what is going to be built. Presently Moscow has 2 super talls, not 5.

I do think Moscow deserves a top 20.
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This is basically a 'World's Top 20 Minus Dubai' as nothing else outside of APEC makes the cut. Moscow might squeak into my top 20, but only by a hair.

01. New York
02. Shanghai
03. Hong Kong
04. Shenzhen
05. Chicago
06. Guangzhou
07. Toronto
08. Chongqing
09. Tokyo
10. Kuala Lumpur

11. Melbourne
12. Singapore
13. Beijing
14. Tianjin
15. Nanjing
16. Manila
17. Bangkok
18. Jakarta
19. Seoul
20. Moscow

Ok lets compare Chongqing, Kualalampur, Beijing , Bangkok, Jakrta skylines which are way way superior to Toronto skyline

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with all forms of common sense its impossible to compare the beauty of these skylines to Toronto which really lags behind!
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Old August 26th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #36
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Presently Moscow has 2 super talls, not 5.
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Why two? It just finished. 1) Moscow Tower. 302m. 2) Mercury Tower 339m 3) Eurasia Tower 309m. Here are under construction already exceeded 300 meters 4) OKO tower. now ~ 350m. 5) The Federation Tower now ~ 330m.
The remaining words totally agree with you.

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Buildings are usually not counted as completed till the crane comes down. By this definition, is Moscow now at 3 rather than 2 super talls? Eurasia is now completed (no crane)?
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Ok lets compare Chongqing, Kualalampur, Beijing , Bangkok, Jakrta skylines which are way way superior to Toronto skyline
For me, a quantitative measure is a starting point. From there a skyline falls or rises up my ranking based on layering, architectural diversity, quality, iconic structures, layout, skyscraper density, having a good focal point, and overall impression.

Taking into account all the factors I deem relevant, Toronto is better than all of those skylines you've mentioned. A lot of other people on SSC seem to agree with me. Some people put Kuala Lumpur and Chongqinq ahead of Toronto. A case can be made for those 2, but for the others the argument is much weaker. Btw, you yourself ranked Kuala Lumpur and Beijing behind Toronto and now you're saying they're 'way way superior to the Toronto skyline'? Which is it?

I might add: If you disagree with someone, that's fine, but responding with sarcastic replies, laughing at people's posts, and/or mocking them reflects poorly on you. It's not likely to result in constructive discussion either. Every single one of your replies has been rude and condescending. Is that representative of the kind of person you are?
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I agree.. Toronto is better than those cities mentioned.. despite of its size being smaller than them.
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I think Kuala Lumpur and Chongqing are closest to Toronto of them all. Jakarta and Bangkok's skylines have size, but fall down in lots of other areas. Beijing's skyline scores well in every area except scale. It's skyline is considerably smaller than Toronto's.
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