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Old July 11th, 2014, 05:19 AM   #21
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I hope not! Too much nimby influence?
It's not NIMBY influence. I live in Jersey City. NIMBYism doesn't have much influence. But economics does, and supertalls aren't economical here yet. Sale and rental prices haven't reached NYC levels, and there aren't so many big egos at stake, either. The motor sports stadium sounds like an awful idea, though, and the mayor is rightly skeptical. Let's hope that part gets thrown out.

The fake renderings are funny. The first one is on a site owned by a Chinese development firm that should start construction of ~200m pair of residential towers some time this year. The second one is on the site of a park.

Most importantly, it is difficult to overstate how terrible the proposed location is. It's really far from any transit and only accessible by highway, and also far from the urban core of Jersey City. It wouldn't do very good business from NYC at all as a result--too inaccessible for anyone without a car. You'll get the hardcore gamblers coming by bus, but not casual attendees or tourists, which is what a casino would really need to be successful (and what would make an urban-area casino really stand out).
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Old July 11th, 2014, 05:40 AM   #22
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That Beekman WTC would be well over 2,000ft. The bcs is 1,000ft here.
Ehmm....... you are right


Here is shorter version with WTC antenna side mounted....
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Old July 12th, 2014, 12:46 AM   #23
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Jersey city is booming. It's time it gets it's own skyline. How long until it gets anexed by NYC?
We don't want Jersey City or any other city in Jersey.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:12 AM   #24
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Here's the NY Times article:

Reebok Founder Proposes 95-Story Tower With Casino for Jersey City

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Real estate brokers have long described New Jersey’s gold coast, stretching from Jersey City to Weehawken, as the sixth borough of New York City, where apartments offer the best views of the Empire State Building.

But now Paul Fireman, the billionaire who built one of the world’s most expensive golf courses in Jersey City on top of a toxic dump, is challenging the notion that the gold coast should play second fiddle to New York.

Mr. Fireman, the founder and former chairman of Reebok International, is proposing a $4.6 billion project, including a 95-story skyscraper, adjoining his 160-acre golf course on the Hudson River, at the south end of Jersey City.

Mr. Fireman appears to have thrown a greatest hits of unbuilt projects into a blender — Donald J. Trump’s plan for a Nascar racetrack on Staten Island, a giant Ferris wheel in the New Jersey Meadowlands — with one of the super towers from Manhattan’s emerging Billionaire’s Row and a dollop of gambling to spice it up.

Known as Liberty Rising, the tower would include a casino, a hotel and apartments, along with expensive shops and an entertainment complex. There are also plans for what would be the world’s largest Ferris wheel and a 107,500-seat stadium for motor sports. The proposed complex was first reported on Wednesday by The Star-Ledger of Newark.

The tower would presumably be as tall or taller than 1 World Trade Center, now the tallest skyscraper in the Western Hemisphere. It would loom over the Statue of Liberty and offer panoramic views of the harbor, Lower Manhattan and New Jersey.

“You’ve got to think big,” said Mayor Steven Fulop of Jersey City, adding that he had been discussing the project with Mr. Fireman for eight months. “The opportunity to have a world-class facility on the waterfront is significant from a job-creation standpoint, for tax relief and for tourism. Paul Fireman is capable of executing something like this.”

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A 400m+ tower in Jersey City? Pretty audacious!
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:16 AM   #25
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JC's been flirting with the 300m mark with proposals as of late. I'm not that surprised. I will be surprised if it ends up ~1776 ft. I'm hoping they mean ~1370 ft. It would give the Hudson a cool gateway to the harbor if it's close to the river. Where is the site in the city?
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 03:00 AM   #26
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Having a tower in Jersey City surpass One World Trade Center before a tower in NY surpasses 1WTC (hypothetically for the time being) would feel pretty weird...
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 07:36 PM   #27
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No ferris wheel please!
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 09:01 PM   #28
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I don't mind the Ferris wheel, the view of New York City overall would be breathtaking... Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island where so many generations of future generations of Americans made their first port of entry here. I just don't want the motorcross racing, NO WAY... absolutely makes no sense at all!!!!!!
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 09:05 PM   #29
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I don't believe the guy behind it intends to actually build 1,776 ft to the top of the spire of WTC1 but around the same as roof height, certainly not over 1,400ft.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:14 AM   #30
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I love the Ferris wheel idea, especially because it's not actually not in Manhattan but in Staten Island. Staten Island would get a lot more tourists, the views would be breathtaking, and New York still gets the world's tallest Ferris wheel. It's a triple win.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 01:00 AM   #31
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I love the Ferris wheel idea, especially because it's not actually not in Manhattan but in Staten Island. Staten Island would get a lot more tourists, the views would be breathtaking, and New York still gets the world's tallest Ferris wheel. It's a triple win.
I think that is a separate proposal. The wheel could get a much better view in jersey.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 01:30 AM   #32
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A supertall across the river will give the harbor a Hong Kong-like feel which would be cool, but a tower taller than 1WTC at roof height or spire height would seem overbearing. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, JC. 1000 ft would be comfortable height.

Also "Liberty Rising" is such a cheesy name. Pass.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 05:09 PM   #33
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Wouldn't it nice if a skyscraper would rise in Journal Square, which is the true transportation hub of Jersey City?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #34
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Wouldn't it nice if a skyscraper would rise in Journal Square, which is the true transportation hub of Jersey City?
There are a few under construction right now. Though Journal Square has less transit than the waterfront, since the HBLR only runs along the water. Newport is the most transit-accessible location in Jersey City, with HBLR access and direct trains to both 33rd St and the WTC.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #35
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Jersey city is booming. It's time it gets it's own skyline.
Wat?
I'd say that would be one of the best skylines in Europe... And It's not that bad even for US standards.


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I'd say that would be one of the best skylines in Europe... And It's not that bad even for US standards.


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I think it's definitely fair to say we have the best skyline of any city of under 500,000 people.
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Reminds me of Miami in a way... And tbh that skyline shot shows to me that Jersey also has one of the best skylines in the US, not right at the top but you get the idea; it's just over shadowed by Manhatten
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:34 AM   #38
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The great thing is it's going to get even better.... several new projects will be in the 500-750 ft range plus hopefully that supertall and maybe one or two others. There are a number of lots unbuilt on that can go 600-800 ft easy downtown and the waterfront and in Journal Square. The Liberty Harbor project downtown had an alteration that allows near New York Harbor for several 50-55 story towers increased from the previous maximum 32 floors. No question in ten years our skyline will rival many prominent big cities, even more than today.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:51 AM   #39
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I think it's definitely fair to say we have the best skyline of any city of under 500,000 people.

It's even safer to say that JC has the best skyline of any city with fewer than 250,000 people.
I wonder what the competition is.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 03:01 PM   #40
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It's a matter of time before JC and Brooklyn have supertalls.


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