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Old August 8th, 2014, 04:39 PM   #41
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I think it's definitely fair to say we have the best skyline of any city of under 500,000 people.
Not really. In the United States, I think that at least Miami (419 K) Minneapolis (400K) Atlanta (447 K) Cleveland (390 K) and Pittsburgh (305 K) all have better skylines than JC.

Obviuosly, all those cities are part of much larger meropolitan areas, but so does JC, within a metro area of 20 million, the largest of the US.

I think that measuring it just by the size of the city, is quite meaningful. (edit I meant Meaningless)
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Old August 8th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #42
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Not really. In the United States, I think that at least Miami (419 K) Minneapolis (400K) Atlanta (447 K) Cleveland (390 K) and Pittsburgh (305 K) all have better skylines than JC.

Obviuosly, all those cities are part of much larger meropolitan areas, but so does JC, within a metro area of 20 million, the largest of the US.

I think that measuring it just by the size of the city, is quite meaningful.
Currently, you're right... it's a very nice sized skyline but other mid size cities may have better ones at the moment. However like I said in my previous post, our skyline is growing and will do so dramatically over the next decade, so a decade from now(and our population is estimated to go from 240,000 now to around 350,000 or so) we may well have the biggest mid sized skyline, period.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 06:40 AM   #43
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Pittsburgh has one of the best skylines I've seen. Jersey City skyline is unimpressive, seeing Manhattan is right there.
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Ooh, a discussion about the best skyline in the US outside of New York and Chicago. Fun.

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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:04 PM   #45
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You better watch it, onewtclover. The mods will sick their dogs on you by nightfall...
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... our skyline is growing and will do so dramatically over the next decade, so a decade from now(and our population is estimated to go from 240,000 now to around 350,000 or so)...

I love Jersey City and am fascinated by it.
But let's be realistic.
There is absolutely no way that Jersey City, with its fixed boundaries and already very high residential densities, would be able to grow another 50% in ten years.
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Currently, you're right... it's a very nice sized skyline but other mid size cities may have better ones at the moment. However like I said in my previous post, our skyline is growing and will do so dramatically over the next decade, so a decade from now(and our population is estimated to go from 240,000 now to around 350,000 or so) we may well have the biggest mid sized skyline, period.
Yes, but while Jersey City grow, those other cities will grow too....
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Old August 11th, 2014, 05:50 PM   #49
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I love Jersey City and am fascinated by it.
But let's be realistic.
There is absolutely no way that Jersey City, with its fixed boundaries and already very high residential densities, would be able to grow another 50% in ten years.
However Jersey City could expand it's boundaries encompassing other small towns and comunities around. Just like Brooklyn ones did.
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I love Jersey City and am fascinated by it.
But let's be realistic.
There is absolutely no way that Jersey City, with its fixed boundaries and already very high residential densities, would be able to grow another 50% in ten years.
350,000 is unrealistic, but 300,000 by 2024 isn't. There's a LOT of unused space in Jersey City, despite the overall high density, and supporting a population of 350,000 by the time that's built out is not at all unrealistic. (I would say the potential population is more like 400,000 to 450,000.) But that kind of build-out does take a lot of time.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #51
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It's a matter of time before JC and Brooklyn have supertalls.
Yeah, both places have been fooling around with the 1000ft mark for a while.

Here is Brooklyn:

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Old November 2nd, 2014, 08:28 AM   #53
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still in the works. I do like the optimism.

http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/10/inte...ven-fulop.html

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[YIMBY]I know there was discussion regarding a new casino project; it’s going to be 100 stories tall?

[Mayor Fulop]Ninety-five. We need a legislative change next year for gaming in northern New Jersey, but we’re already building 70-story towers, so getting to 95 floors is not a big deal.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:37 AM   #54
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I do think if it's built from what I've read they'll go possibly to the 1,400 ft range... who knows, maybe 1,500 with some high floors. It's doable as the developer would be the one responsible for the Liberty Golf Course, which was developed out of brownfields and is in itself an amazing achievement for what was basically a dump for years. Now it's featured in some major PGA events. The Location while may be a bit isolated presently would no doubt gain transit connections. The original plan included a motor racing track proposal, which even the Mayor thinks isn't a great idea but it also includes major retail, conference center, world class hotel, high end condos, and a 600 ft plus wheel that would have an awesome view of New York City, especially Manhattan. Could it be a pipe dream? Perhaps but it seems inevitable casinos will at least to some extent be allowed in other areas of New Jersey other than Atlantic City, and I'd much rather have this location for a world class casino/ hotel conference center with the other goodies over a nondescript Meadowlands, in the middle of nowhere.

The boldness of the height though I think is the most intriguing part of it... and it certainly will make some more people interested in Jersey City. With all the towers that may be built here over the next ten years, in downtown/waterfront and in Journal Square in particular, this will be the greatest skyline for a mid sized city as there are a number of 40-70 story towers in the pipeline.
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I just hope they're not depending on a casino to make the numbers work given the disaster down in Atlantic City. A good project should be able to earn its own keep...especially one so close to NYC.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 07:10 AM   #56
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this will be the greatest skyline for a mid sized city as there are a number of 40-70 story towers in the pipeline.
Yeah but the technical city limits population is irrelevent. Jersey City's skyline is due to the city essentially being an extension of NYC. Whether there are 10 people or 10 million people in Jersey City isn't really related to skyline.
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I just hope they're not depending on a casino to make the numbers work given the disaster down in Atlantic City. A good project should be able to earn its own keep...especially one so close to NYC.
I just hope they don't over saturate the market to much...
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Yeah but the technical city limits population is irrelevent. Jersey City's skyline is due to the city essentially being an extension of NYC. Whether there are 10 people or 10 million people in Jersey City isn't really related to skyline.
Of course there is the relation to New York... Jersey City is the second largest city in New Jersey, and is reinventing itself after long being known as a working class industrial town. None of the other cities and towns in Hudson County, where Jersey City is located, have anything near the potential of skyline nor seem to want it though they are right across the Hudson River just as Jersey City. The transformation wasn't inevitable even if we are seen as an extension of New York City... we're the ones taking advantage of that and it makes our skyline's emergence no less impressive.
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I just hope they don't over saturate the market to much...
I think the casino is but one aspect here... there will be retail, hotel, condos, convention space, very likely a wheel like the London Eye but speculated as bigger, over 600 ft. I do share a reluctance to greatly expand casino gambling through the area... I don't see how much more successful the Meadowlands would be over many of the casino hotels in AC I don't think though that for this project the typical AC day gambler is who is being targeted. One of the biggest problems of AC being the new Las Vegas was in fact how many just came down for a day or two.
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I just hope they don't over saturate the market to much...
We're already at saturation. This casino would do decent business because it would be the closest to NYC, but it would make it much harder to have a successful casino in the suburbs, e.g. at the Meadowlands.

As a resident of Jersey City, I have two objections to this tower: (i) Wrong location. This should be built in downtown or Journal Square, not in an area that you literally cannot get to without a car;* (ii) Casino. Everything is great except for the casino, which is stupid and probably money-losing, especially now that online gambling is legal in New Jersey, and a recipe for a failed or incomplete project.

*Although the light rail runs relatively nearby, there are already two stations that are just far enough away to be inconvenient but just close enough that building a new station just for this project would be stupid, and it would still be on the other side of an elevated highway and fairly long walk through totally desolate areas. Also, any new light rail station would serve literally no one except this project (because the station would have to be built opposite a large cemetery), which is deeply wasteful. In any case, even with light rail access, this project is too far away from the rest of the commercial core to be good for the city or attract transit users en masse, and the light rail is a poor transit option.

This project is more like something someone would build in the suburbs of Houston rather than in a real city, no matter the height. It smacks of ignorance about how cities work, and I'm ashamed that Fulop is pushing for it even though I like him otherwise.
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