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Old February 3rd, 2009, 02:58 PM   #41
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No.
Actually I don't even know what are you talkin' about

It is a system for Bovisa, where is planned to create a 'science district', integration between University (Politecnico) and industry for technological research.
It is included in the Urban II Programme which also forecasts a link between Quarto Oggiaro FNM (railway station), with a possible extension to Comasina, and Rho-Fiera Milano by a people-mover (a 'sky-train' actually)

They just published a VERY interesting book on Urban II (name UrbanMilano) distributed in Urban Center (in Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II, central Milan)

Anyway we're a bit OT
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Old February 5th, 2009, 03:00 PM   #42
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Looks cool but jeeze its way slow and there appears to be no traffic on the roads so whats the reason to use it?
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Old July 17th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #43
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Old July 1st, 2010, 10:06 PM   #44
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PADUA | Translohr


http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ma...adova_2009.png


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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe..._di_padova.JPG

the vehicle can also run on internal batteries (arranged in packs) on sections of the route where overhead wires are deemed to be undesirable.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Translohr_padova.JPG
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Old July 4th, 2010, 02:56 AM   #45
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Wow, very interesting. I've seen the word "Translohr" pop up from time to time, but I never actually knew what it was until I saw this post and looked it up. How do the locals find this system? Is it better than a bus or tramway? Why did they choose a Translohr over other means?
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Old July 4th, 2010, 06:57 PM   #46
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Is it better than a bus or tramway?
No it isn't. It is more expensive and you can't buy vehicles from other manufacturer other than Lohr. If Lohr decide to cease production of the Translohr, Padova will have to destroy and rebuilt its line-

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Why did they choose a Translohr over other means?
Because the old mayor decided to build a tramway and received funds from the central government. When a mayor from the opposite political party won the elections on a campaign based on a protest against tramways, she decided to build a Translohr line, because it is not a tramway but can receive funds.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #47
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No it isn't. It is more expensive and you can't buy vehicles from other manufacturer other than Lohr. If Lohr decide to cease production of the Translohr, Padova will have to destroy and rebuilt its line-



Because the old mayor decided to build a tramway and received funds from the central government. When a mayor from the opposite political party won the elections on a campaign based on a protest against tramways, she decided to build a Translohr line, because it is not a tramway but can receive funds.
Why not trolleybus (bi-articulated)?

Off-topic: what's the matter with Civis trolleybuses in Bologna?
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Why not trolleybus (bi-articulated)?
Because trolleybus are not legally considered trams, so they could not have received the funds. Maybe Civis partially guided trolleybuses could have satisfied the requirements for these funds.

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Off-topic: what's the matter with Civis trolleybuses in Bologna?
The line is partially under construction. The problem are nimbys.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 09:36 PM   #49
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Regarding the relative cost of Translohr versus other modes, the one comparative study that I have seen published was for the Coquitlam/Evergren Line in the Vancouver area. The report “Northeast Sector Rapid Transit Alternatives Project, Phase 2 - Evaluation of Rapid Transit Alternatives, Final Technical Report” prepared for the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority can probably still be found on the web.

For the chosen northwest corridor route (Northwest via Barnet), the report compared SkyTrain (automated trains operating on an elevated viaduct), light rail, and Guided Light Transit (Bombardier’s GLT system and Translohr). According to the report, GLT would be cheaper to operate than LRT and less then half the cost to build. A major cost difference between the systems is that, “SkyTrain and LRT require a 2 km tunnel to bypass the 12% grade on Clarke Road Hill, while the rubber-tired GLT, although slower, is able to negotiate this grade”.

The following are few of the numbers from the report:

Operating Cost per Vehicle-Hour - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $150 - $170
LRT: $150 - $200
GLT: $110 - $140

Operating Cost per Passenger Capacity - KM - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $0.025 - $0.035
LRT: $0.03 - $0.04
GLT: $0.04 - $0.05

Maximum Acheivable Speed - Table 5.1
SkyTrain: 80 km/h
LRT: 90 km/h
GLT: 70 km/h

Travel Time from Lougheed Station to Coquitlam City Hall - Table 5.2
SkyTrain: 13 min.
LRT: 21 min.
GLT: 23 min.

Peak Directional Passenger Demand for 2021 - Table 7.1.1
SkyTrain: 5900
LRT: 2600
GLT: 2200

Capital Costs - Demand Based Vehicles - Table 7.2.1
SkyTrain: $834.0 M
LRT: $660.4 M
GLT: $277.6 M

Annual Operating Costs - Table 7.3.3
SkyTrain: $13.8 M
LRT: $10.6 M
GLT: $9.4 M

Regarding the capital cost difference, a bit over $80 M is attributable to the tunnel required for SkyTrain and LRT. The ability to mount grades of up to 13% is one of the primary selling points of the Translohr system. The usual design limit for new LRT systems is around 6% though there are existing lines that are steeper.

Regarding the Coquitlam/Evergreen Line study, the initial recommendation was to build LRT. The SkyTrain option was dismissed due to exceeding a cap on initial capital cost. The GLT option was dismissed due to the technology being considered too new and unproven. The issue was subsequently revisited and a decision was made to build the SkyTrain option.
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The following are few of the numbers from the report:

Operating Cost per Vehicle-Hour - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $150 - $170
LRT: $150 - $200
GLT: $110 - $140

Operating Cost per Passenger Capacity - KM - Table 3.6
SkyTrain: $0.025 - $0.035
LRT: $0.03 - $0.04
GLT: $0.04 - $0.05

Maximum Acheivable Speed - Table 5.1
SkyTrain: 80 km/h
LRT: 90 km/h
GLT: 70 km/h

Travel Time from Lougheed Station to Coquitlam City Hall - Table 5.2
SkyTrain: 13 min.
LRT: 21 min.
GLT: 23 min.

Peak Directional Passenger Demand for 2021 - Table 7.1.1
SkyTrain: 5900
LRT: 2600
GLT: 2200

Capital Costs - Demand Based Vehicles - Table 7.2.1
SkyTrain: $834.0 M
LRT: $660.4 M
GLT: $277.6 M

Annual Operating Costs - Table 7.3.3
SkyTrain: $13.8 M
LRT: $10.6 M
GLT: $9.4 M
I have many doubts concerning the mentioned data.
1. Operating Cost per Vehicle-Hour - this table doesn't take into account that vehicles of larger capacity are more expensive to run.
2. Operating Cost per Passenger Capacity - KM - I guess, but am not sure, if it is calculated per passenger per kilometer. If so, it doesn/t take into account seated or standing passengers, which can be a multiplier of about 5.
3. Maximum Acheivable Speed - data for LRT is innacurate, there are several types of rail vehicles of this size than can reach top speed of 100 km/h.
4. Travel Time from Lougheed Station to Coquitlam City Hall - this parameter depends on difference in track length and right of way.
5. Peak Directional Passenger Demand for 2021 - depends more on what buildings and how many of them will by served by this mode of transport.
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I have many doubts concerning the mentioned data.
1. Operating Cost per Vehicle-Hour - this table doesn't take into account that vehicles of larger capacity are more expensive to run.
2. Operating Cost per Passenger Capacity - KM - I guess, but am not sure, if it is calculated per passenger per kilometer. If so, it doesn/t take into account seated or standing passengers, which can be a multiplier of about 5.
3. Maximum Acheivable Speed - data for LRT is innacurate, there are several types of rail vehicles of this size than can reach top speed of 100 km/h.
4. Travel Time from Lougheed Station to Coquitlam City Hall - this parameter depends on difference in track length and right of way.
5. Peak Directional Passenger Demand for 2021 - depends more on what buildings and how many of them will by served by this mode of transport.
If you read it again, this report was generated specifically for Vancouver.
  1. Based on the ridership that is expected to generate in the Evergreen Line route
  2. As per #1
  3. It is based on how LRT was proposed to be implemented
  4. SkyTrain=Full ROW, LRT/GLT=Shared ROW, with tunnel through Clarke Hill & some grade separation at Coquitlam
  5. Again, it's based on what was the expected generated ridership
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What happened ?

I'm definetly not a fan of Translohr !
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 05:18 PM   #54
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GENOA | Metro

Genoa (590,000 inhabitants) has an underground metro line consisting of 8 stations.

An extension from the city centre (De Ferrari) to Brignole railway station was opened yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa_Metro

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The first section (Brin–Dinegro) was opened in 1990 re-using an old tramway tunnel discontinued in the 1960s.

The first railcars were similar to the Tram 2000 Zurich series.



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The section through the old city (San Giorgio–Brignole) re-uses partially an old railway tunnel, part of the old harbour railway link.

Through this tunnel, the metro enters directly in Brignole railway station, and metro trains stop alongside of the railway tracks.



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Is there any plan to extend the line beyond Brignole?
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The line will extend to Piazza Martinez (500 m est) and ( I hope) to S. Martino hospital (est) and to Staglieno (north)...
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