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Old October 30th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #81
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something like the Gautrain in South Africa is perfect, Bombardier should bid something like this..



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Old October 30th, 2014, 08:41 PM   #82
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I wonder why Bombardier didn't propose the TWINDEXX Express double-deck intercity model.



Length 200,6 m (8-cars)
Width 2.800 mm
Max. Speed 200 km/h
Seated Capacity 625

http://www.bombardier.com/en/transpo...-name=TWINDEXX



This particular type of model is more doable and fills in all the requirements.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:55 AM   #83
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I don't understand why Bombardier is presenting a train that doesn't seem to meet the requirements. It's not fast enough and doesn't have space for luggage. And what is the point of all that standing space? Surely no one wants to commute from Toluca to inner Mexico City and have to stand all the time? I'm hoping/assuming that it will be modified version of that train they present. Otherwise CAF and Alstom are going to have a walk in the park.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:16 PM   #84
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This particular type of model is more doable and fills in all the requirements.
Probably a lot more expensive, though.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:59 PM   #85
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Friday the head of the Secretariat of Communications and Transportation (SCT), Gerardo Ruiz Esparza will tender for the rolling stock for Mexico-Toluca.

According to information from SCT, the winner will also take care of the railways, the control center, signaling, power substations and electromechanical system.

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Old October 31st, 2014, 08:34 PM   #86
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I don't understand why Bombardier is presenting a train that doesn't seem to meet the requirements. It's not fast enough and doesn't have space for luggage. And what is the point of all that standing space? Surely no one wants to commute from Toluca to inner Mexico City and have to stand all the time? I'm hoping/assuming that it will be modified version of that train they present. Otherwise CAF and Alstom are going to have a walk in the park.
I dont know whats happening with Bombardier, yesterday Alstom won the tender for the rolling stock of Guadalajara's Metro Line 3 and Bombardier desisted of presenting a bid last October 8th.

Now Bombardier saying there wasnt enough time for Mexico-Toluca tender.
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3 bids were received for the tender of the rolling stock for Mexico-Toluca Intercity.

Alstom, OHL and Indra, with a proposal of $955millions.

CAF, Isolux-Cosan, Azvi, Thales, with a proposal of $869millions.

Bombardier, Sacyr, with a proposal of $1.26billions.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:12 PM   #88
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Wait, was the type of train announced officially or is that image just being used as decoration during the presentation?
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:25 PM   #89
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Wait, was the type of train announced officially or is that image just being used as decoration during the presentation?
The bids were presented 2hrs ago, we dont yet have images or information about the official models presented.

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As far as we know, the contenders could be:

Alstom Coradia
CAF Civity
Bombardier Spacium
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I don´t understand what the hell is happening to Bombardier. First, they withdrew from the Mexico City - Querétaro HSR.....then, they present an offer for the Mexico City - Toluca that doesn´t meet the requirements.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 03:54 PM   #92
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The great absent was again Siemens. According to this article, they are looking to stay as a components provider. A real shame.

http://www.milenio.com/firmas/albert...400340009.html

I'm very disappointed for the Bombardier's proposal too. I really expected them to be more competitive.

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As far as we know, the contenders could be:

Alstom Coradia
CAF Civity
Bombardier Spacium
If that is so, then the Civity fills up the requirements. Its top speed is 160 kph, adaptable to 200 kph.



They even have it in red and black



But I like more the Alstom Coradia. Its polyvalent version reaches up to 160 kmh so it would be a good choice.



The last february, Alstom presented in Mexico its two new railway transport solutions, the Axonis for light rail transport and the Coradia.
Alstom just won the tender for the rolling stock for the Guadalajara's new light rail line. I don't know if they proposed the Axonis but it seems likely. So, they would probably propose the Coradia for the Toluca project.

http://eleconomista.com.mx/industria...-trenes-mexico
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both the Civity and the Coradia meets perfectly with the requirements, for me any of them will be a great choice. Yes the Axonis won the Gudalajara's Metro and seeing that news from february seems pretty obvious that Alstom got ready with enough time and took seriously this projects, Im glad for that.
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CAF CIVITY









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Does CAF also already have some presence in Mexico?
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yes since long, long ago.
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The great absent was again Siemens. According to this article, they are looking to stay as a components provider. A real shame.
Indeed : it seems their Desiro ML could have been a good fit, right ?
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Indeed.

That model fits perfectly with the requirements.

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I can't say the same about Bombardier. They not only brought a suburban model, with lower speed and clearly inadequate for an intercity service. As if that were not bad enough, is far more expensive than the other competitors.

They could do better than that. They have plenty of models, one of them surely would be much more competitive for this route.
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Old November 4th, 2014, 12:03 PM   #100
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Both the Civity and Coradia look the part and seem to me better choices than the rolling stock that Bombardier is presenting. Just from a purely æsthetic point of view, I like the look of the Coradia better.

From what I can read. it seems that at the beginning of next year they will hold the bid for the Transpeninsular Rail (as well as for an extension of the Mexico City Metro). In this case however, it seems that the project will call for a diesel train, so it will be interesting to see who is interested.
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