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Old July 13th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #2341
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Another possible cause has surfaced.

"Fire is strongly believed to be as a result of galley overheat - failure of coffee heater trip switch which was left on."


If this is true it would only be very unfortunate that it would have happened on a 787 but it won't have any influence on the program.

It's still unclear if the plane can be fixed, it's the first time it happened with a plastic fuselage so there's no reference material from earlier fires.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #2342
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Shit happens. If its real cause of fire, there will be no effect to production, deliveries and operations of others 787s.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #2343
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Seems like it was a coffee pot that got overheated. Nothing to do with the plane design itself.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #2344
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Seems like it was a coffee pot that got overheated. Nothing to do with the plane design itself.
Thats what Boeing wants you to believe. I'm waiting for official confirmation.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #2345
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Seems like it was a coffee pot that got overheated. Nothing to do with the plane design itself.
That doesn't sound very plausible if you check the pictures, look at this:



How can it be a coffee machine when the interior looks in reasonable state and only the roof's been burned?

Boeing might want people to believe that, but Ethiopian first statement said it was the air conditioner system, we will see.

Either case, even if it were the coffee machine, oh dear... I'm not sure I want to fly on a plane which is set on flames due to a coffee machine.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #2346
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How can it be a coffee machine when the interior looks in reasonable state and only the roof's been burned?
Do you know what is the spread of fire?
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Either case, even if it were the coffee machine, oh dear... I'm not sure I want to fly on a plane which is set on flames due to a coffee machine.
Not one nor two planes has been written off due to internal fire on ground or in hangar
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Old July 13th, 2013, 08:02 PM   #2347
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Do you know what is the spread of fire?

Not one nor two planes has been written off due to internal fire on ground or in hangar

Are you talking about just 787's or in general? The Egyptair 777 that caught fire at the gate last year got written off.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #2348
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Old July 13th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #2349
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Initial examiners commentary,

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It said it had found "extensive heat damage in the upper portion of the rear fuselage, a complex part of the aircraft".

"However, it is clear that this heat damage is remote from the area in which the aircraft main and APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) batteries are located and at this stage there is no evidence of a direct causal relationship."
If it was just a coffee warmer I think they would have indicated that.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #2350
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Initial examiners commentary,

If it was just a coffee warmer I think they would have indicated that.
Do you have a link so we can read the hole statement?
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Old July 13th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #2351
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I was only repeating what I heard. Hoping to get a statement soon although it doesn't seem we'll get one today.
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Old July 13th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #2352
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Update on Friday’s 787 incident

PRESS RELEASE
Date: 13 July 2013
Serious Incident to Boeing 787-8, ET-AOP,
at London Heathrow Airport on 12 July 2013
 Date & Time: 12 July 2013 at approx 1550 hrs UTC
 Location: London Heathrow Airport
 Aircraft Type: Boeing 787-8
 Operator: Ethiopian Airlines

At approximately 1550 hrs UTC on 12 July 2013 a Boeing 787-8 of Ethiopian Airlines, registration ET-AOP, suffered an event at London Heathrow whilst the aircraft was parked on stand, with no persons on board. The initial witness and physical evidence shows that this event resulted in smoke throughout the fuselage and extensive heat damage in the upper portion of the rear fuselage.

In exercise of his powers the Chief Inspector of the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) has ordered that an investigation into this serious incident be carried out, in accordance with the Civil Aviation (Investigation of Air Accidents and Incidents) Regulations 1996 and the Standards and Recommended Practices of Annex 13 of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

The sole objective of the investigation is to determine the causal and contributory factors of this serious incident, with the intention of preventing a recurrence. It is not the purpose to apportion blame or liability.

In accordance with these international standards and recommended practices, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), USA, representing the State of Design and Manufacture, and the Civil Aviation Authority of Ethiopia, representing the State of Registry and Operator, have been invited to appoint Accredited Representatives to participate in the investigation, along with advisors from the Federal Aviation Administration, Boeing Commercial Airplanes and Ethiopian Airlines.

The AAIB has also invited the participation of the EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency) and the UK CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) as advisors to the investigation.
This team, under the direction of the AAIB, has initiated the technical investigation into the event.

The aircraft is currently located in a hangar at London Heathrow. There has been extensive heat damage in the upper portion of the rear fuselage, a complex part of the aircraft, and the initial investigation is likely to take several days.

However, it is clear that this heat damage is remote from the area in which the aircraft main and APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) batteries are located, and, at this stage, there is no evidence of a direct causal relationship.

Source : AAIB
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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:13 AM   #2353
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People tend to ignore that a plane should be the safest form of transportation, incidents of any kind and magnitude are potentially dangerous, I see many here defending Boeing and trying to prove everyone else wrong, the fact is:

THE MOST ADVANCED AIRCRAFT CAUGHT FIRE SEVERAL TIMES, BOEING DID RUSHED THINGS UP ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, AND YOU PEOPLE STILL DON'T GET IT? PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE, SOMETHING BOEING DID NOT CONSIDERED, AND WENT AHEAD WITH DELIVERIES.

Take a chillout pill, and wait for an "Official information" I'm not a Boeing hater, but I surely hate it when corporations that are supposed to be in charge of people's safety, turn a blind eye to it in exchange for profits.

Let's just hope it was a human error this time.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #2354
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People tend to ignore that a plane should be the safest form of transportation, incidents of any kind and magnitude are potentially dangerous, I see many here defending Boeing and trying to prove everyone else wrong, the fact is:

THE MOST ADVANCED AIRCRAFT CAUGHT FIRE SEVERAL TIMES, BOEING DID RUSHED THINGS UP ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, AND YOU PEOPLE STILL DON'T GET IT? PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE, SOMETHING BOEING DID NOT CONSIDERED, AND WENT AHEAD WITH DELIVERIES.

Take a chillout pill, and wait for an "Official information" I'm not a Boeing hater, but I surely hate it when corporations that are supposed to be in charge of people's safety, turn a blind eye to it in exchange for profits.

Let's just hope it was a human error this time.
I think it's you who needs to take a chill pill here. And yes, let's wait until there is an offical finding from the investigation.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #2355
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A positive sign showing the confidence QF/JQ have in the B787. The sign is on the way to Domestic Terminal at BNE

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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #2356
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LN100 ZA385 B-2734 for China Southern out for B1 flight:
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #2357
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UNITED to Fly Boeing 787 on Seattle – Tokyo Route from Nov 2013

Based on latest schedule update on the weekend of 13JUL13, UNITED is introducing Boeing 787-8 operation on Seattle – Tokyo Narita route, replacing Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. Planned operational schedule as follow.

Boeing 787 operation begins on 05NOV13 from SEA, 06NOV13 from NRT.

UA105 SEA1210 – 1540+1NRT 788 D
UA104 NRT1835 – 1010SEA 788 D
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #2359
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UNITED to Fly Boeing 787 on Seattle – Tokyo Route from Nov 2013

Based on latest schedule update on the weekend of 13JUL13, UNITED is introducing Boeing 787-8 operation on Seattle – Tokyo Narita route, replacing Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. Planned operational schedule as follow.

Boeing 787 operation begins on 05NOV13 from SEA, 06NOV13 from NRT.

UA105 SEA1210 – 1540+1NRT 788 D
UA104 NRT1835 – 1010SEA 788 D
Looks like with that news, I suspect that one of UA's SEA–IAH flights may be converted to a B787 too to accommodate a full round-trip to and from one of its hubs... Or maybe it can be sent to LAX or even SFO.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #2360
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LN117 ZA291 N29907 #7 788 for United B2 flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...900Z/KPAE/KMWH

LN103 ZA466 A7-BCE for Qatar C1? flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...930Z/KPAE/KMWH

LN39 ZA260 ET-AOO B1 flight scheduled for today. This is the first frame built for Ethiopian, will be #5 delivered plane to carrier.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...000Z/KPAE/KMWH

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