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Old July 19th, 2013, 12:11 PM   #2401
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Who's only complaint about the 787 is that Boeing can't deliver them more quickly.

This will most likely be the 1st simple straight foreward delivery of a 787 from Charleston.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #2402
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Who's only complaint about the 787 is that Boeing can't deliver them more quickly.

This will most likely be the 1st simple straight foreward delivery of a 787 from Charleston.
Well they do have another 2 to be delivered from PAE.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #2403
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Old July 20th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #2404
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The investigation into the fire is still ongoing.


Reuters reports that it could be a combination of condensation and a pinched wire inside the emergency beacon (ELT) could have caused a short circuit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...96I18520130720


The condensation could be a bit more severe on the 787 since it has a higher humidity in the cabin then other planes. But that's only in the air, on the ground with open doors it's the outside air that's still much more humid and a more likely cause for the heavy condensation that could have short circuited the ELT.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #2405
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Indeed. The biggest problem with 787s' backlog lie in Chinese carriers and Air India.
4 planes for Air India and 9 for Chinese are sitting in PAE and CHS, taking places over airports.
How are Indian & Chinese carriers a problem? Last time I checked, they aren't in the assembly plants playing delaying tactics. If anything, Boeing should be kissing their asses for placing orders pre-2006 for an aircraft that nobody foresaw was going to be an image burner.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #2406
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Just crossed my mind if just maybe who knows the higher humidity in the 787 might be giving the electric system problems.

The last fire occurred on a 787, but the same system is on all other classic aircraft with lower amounts of humidity.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #2407
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How are Indian & Chinese carriers a problem? Last time I checked, they aren't in the assembly plants playing delaying tactics. If anything, Boeing should be kissing their asses for placing orders pre-2006 for an aircraft that nobody foresaw was going to be an image burner.
Because they have many aircrafts for both the Chinese and Air India filling up Boeing field and Charleston, and the delivery process for all 3 of those airlines is much more complicated than with other airlines.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #2408
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How are Indian & Chinese carriers a problem? Last time I checked, they aren't in the assembly plants playing delaying tactics. If anything, Boeing should be kissing their asses for placing orders pre-2006 for an aircraft that nobody foresaw was going to be an image burner.
Air India has problems with payments, so with delivery pace. Chinese CAAC delayed 787s certification for over 1 year, and now is "scheduling" deliveries for carriers.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 06:16 AM   #2409
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Air India has problems with payments, so with delivery pace. Chinese CAAC delayed 787s certification for over 1 year, and now is "scheduling" deliveries for carriers.
Fair enough, but that's Boeing's fault for not having or ignoring that potential pitfall or such setbacks. They've been in business for decades and you'd expect them to be more savvy. All I can deduce from that, is that they're more worried about orders placed (firmed & options) than the actual delivery process. If you ran a bank the same way Boeing is operating, you'd already be in bankruptcy protection court proceedings. But they are swimming in a mainly duopoly industry which largely offers them a cushion.
If Boeing had a business model where defaulting customers would lose their spot in the line and orders deferred down the line, delivery issues would be at a minimum. Quid pro quo so to speak.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 07:43 AM   #2410
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That's easier said then done.

The production slots are not as flexible as you make them out to be, they cannot just deffer production spots. With the 787 it's also the special production history, by starting the assembly before the production process was 100% fully operational that is causing the problems here. Many of the Air India 787s were produced before the problems became apparent. And they couldn't predict that the CAAC would take so much time certifying the 787, no one would have foreseen this as the Chinese airlines or government don't create issues with the deliveries of other types.

A few years down the line, with mature 787 production lines Boeing will become more flexible as the supply chain will be leaner and faster.
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A B-1 flight is scheduled for LN115 ZA561 N961AM ILFC/Aeromexico
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A B-1 flight is scheduled for LN115 ZA561 N961AM ILFC/Aeromexico
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LN21 ZA176 JA823J initial engine run. One of early frames is back to life:

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Old July 22nd, 2013, 03:54 PM   #2415
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Aeromexico's 787 looks great.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 06:39 PM   #2416
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Aeromexico's 787 looks great.
Indeed it does. Deliveries seem to have slowed down.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 08:44 PM   #2417
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Concern That Airframers’ Backlogs Will Create Overcapacity Unfounded, Says Boeing

By Adrian Schofield

July 18, 2013

Boeing says manufacturers’ record order backlogs will not lead to excessive airline capacity, and the company has identified a set of measurements it says proves that market conditions justify the large order totals.

Some industry observers assume that the size of the order books at Airbus and Boeing is likely to create surplus capacity, says Kostya Zolotusky, managing director of capital markets and leasing for Boeing Capital Corp., during a recent media briefing in Sydney. But he says that such views often misjudge the connection between orders and deliveries, which need to be considered separately.

Manufacturers have “a clutch mechanism between orders and deliveries,” says Zolotusky. This means they can slow down or accelerate deliveries as needed. Recent history proves that delivery rates adjust according to economic conditions, and manufacturers are “able to rationally manage deliveries,” Zolotusky says. “Data show we [can] do that quite well.”

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Old July 22nd, 2013, 10:42 PM   #2418
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That's more something for the narrow-bodies. The 787 has a big backlog, but most of these orders are replacements. There are enough 767s and A330s that need to be replaced for the 863 outstanding orders for the 787.



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LN39 ZA260 ET-AOO Ethiopian Airlines
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Isn't Boeing saying that there will be a need for 20,000 planes or so over the next ten or so years? That article sounds like a bunch of crap. The airline industry needs new planes to grow and expand. Especially in the Middle East and the Asian region to meet the growing demand of more passengers flying and in Europe and the Americans to replace huge fleets that are aging very rapidly.
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