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Old July 28th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #2461
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Actually, there are people on FlyerTalk and AUSBT saying that they'll avoid the 787 for now. And it's understandable: needless to say, 787 operators are probably a little paranoid and no time conscious business traveler wants to be grounded.
Well I can't imagine any body in they're right mind who would want to fly on an aircraft that's always getting fire on board head lines.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll wait until this airframe is find tuned to fly on it again.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #2462
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Are people avoiding it because of safety issues, or because of reliability issues which in my opinion is more likely?

But as no airline has reported about disappointing load factors it doesn't seem the general public seems to care too much. For example, the JAL 787 that returned to Boston because of an issue with a fuel pump was 95% full.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #2463
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Are people avoiding it because of safety issues, or because of reliability issues which in my opinion is more likely?

But as no airline has reported about disappointing load factors it doesn't seem the general public seems to care too much. For example, the JAL 787 that returned to Boston because of an issue with a fuel pump was 95% full.
Well Boston has limited access to Asia on airline schedules. The 787 is helping develop that market. I would love to have the opportunity to fly on an 787 if I had the chance. No matter what airline ( There are some exceptions ). Overall the 787 is doing what it is suppose to be doing. Getting people from point A to point B and customers are paying the fares to fly.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 05:11 AM   #2464
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Dreamliner: a timeline of problems
As the Dreamliner faces renewed scrutiny, we look back at the delays and problems that have hindered it for nearly six years.
28 July 2013
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April 26, 2004 – All Nippon Airways (ANA) becomes the launch customer for the Dreamliner, with the first of 50 planes to be delivered in 2008. By the end of 2004, total orders had reached 237. First flight scheduled for autumn 2007.

July 8, 2007 – first 787 unveiled at Boeing’s Everett assembly factory, with 677 orders already received. Initial plan is for aircraft to enter commercial service in May 2008.

Pre-launch problems

September 5, 2007 – three-month delay to first flight announced, due to shortage of fasteners and incomplete software.

October 10, 2007 – second three-month delay to first flight, and six-month delay to first deliveries, due to problems with foreign and domestic supply chain, ongoing fastener shortage and software issues.

January 16, 2008 – third three-month delay to first flight.

April 9, 2008 – fourth delay announced. Maiden flight rescheduled for fourth quarter of 2008, initial deliveries put back 15 months to third quarter of 2009.

November 4, 2008 – fifth delay, due to incorrect fastener installation and strike by Boeing staff. First flight rescheduled for second quarter of 2009. Several airlines state intention to seek compensation for delays.

June 15, 2009 – at the Paris Air Show, Boeing claims the 787’s maiden flight will take place within two weeks. Eight days later it is postponed “due to a need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft". First flight rescheduled for end of 2009.

December 12, 2009 – Dreamliner completes high-speed taxi tests and three days later makes its maiden flight (more than two years behind schedule). Originally to last four hours, it landed an hour early due to bad weather. Nine-month test programme announced.

June 2010 – problems found on horizontal stabilisers of test aircraft. All planes inspected and repaired.

August 2, 2010 – Trent 1000 engine suffers blowout at Rolls-Royce facility during ground testing. Failure causes further delays – first delivery to ANA put back to early 2011.

November 9, 2010 – 787 makes emergency landing after electrical fire during test flight above Texas. Flight testing suspended the following day. Tests resume on December 23.

January 2011 – first delivery rescheduled for third quarter of 2011, due to software and electrical updates following in-flight fire.

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August 26, 2011 – US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and European Air Safety Agency certify the 787, clearing the way for deliveries.

September 25, 2011 – first Dreamliner delivered to ANA, more than three years behind schedule.

October 26, 2011 - first commercial flight, from Narita to Hong Kong. Tickets sold in an online auction, with the highest bidder paying $34,000 for a seat.

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Post-launch problems

February 6, 2012 - Boeing says it has discovered a manufacturing error that requires repairs in the fuselage section of some Dreamliners.

July 23, 2012 – ANA says it is having five Dreamliners repaired for a defect in their Rolls-Royce engines.

July 28, 2012 - A 787 suffers engine failure during testing in South Carolina. US authorities announce investigation.

September 5, 2012 - ANA aborts the take-off of a Dreamliner after what appears to be white smoke is seen billowing from the plane's left engine, believed to be due to a glitch with the hydraulic system.

October 4, 2012 - General Electric recommends new inspections of its GEnx engines, used on some Boeing 747 and 787 aircraft, following the failure of an engine on a 747 operated by Air Bridge Cargo in Shanghai on September 11.

December 5, 2012 - The FAA orders inspections of all Dreamliners in service following reports of fuel leaks.

January 7, 2013 - a fire breaks out on an empty Japan Airlines (JAL) Dreamliner in Boston.

January 8, 2013 – a JAL 787 suffers fuel leak, forcing a flight from Boston to be cancelled. A crack in a cockpit windshield grounds an ANA Dreamliner.

January 9, 2013 – United Airlines reports problem with wiring near the main batteries on one of its six 787s. Safety investigation launched by US National Transportation Safety Board.

January 11, 2013 – second JAL aircraft found to have a fuel leak.

January 13, 2013 – JAL reports fuel leak on another of its Dreamliners. Japan’s transport ministry launches its own investigation.

January 16, 2013 – ANA flight from Ube to Tokyo Haneda diverted after burning smell detected. Inspection revealed a battery fire. Similar incident on a JAL 787s at Boston Logan sees all 50 Boeing 787s in service grounded. Deliveries halted until battery problems resolved.

April 5, 2013 – final tests on new batteries completed. Flights resume on April 26.

June 2, 2013 – JAL finds problem with air pressure sensor that detects overheating in one of its Dreamliners.

June 23, 2013 – United Airlines flight makes emergency landing at Houston due to problems with its brake system.

July 12, 2013 – fire breaks out on an empty Ethiopian Airlines787 at Heathrow, forcing the airport to temporarily close. Investigation finds fire was caused by lithium-manganese dioxide batteries powering an emergency locator transmitter.

July 18, 2013 – JAL Dreamliner flight from Boston aborted “due to a maintenance message (fuel pump) indicator".

July 22, 2013 – Qatar Airways confirms grounding on a 787 due to problems with an electrical panel.

July 24, 2013 – oven overheats on Air India flight, prompting investigation.

July 26, 2013 – ANA finds damage to battery wiring on two Dreamliner emergency beacons, the same device suspected of causing fire at Heathrow.

July 27, 2013 - United Airlines also discovers problem with emergency beacon.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 08:35 AM   #2465
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Boeing has delivered the 5th 787 to Ethiopian.

LN39 ZA260 ET-AOO Ethiopian Airlines
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH9201

delivery stats:
Ethiopian: 5
July: 5
2013: 22
Total: 71


Boeing is also positive about repairing the 787 that caught fire earlier this month. Even though it won't be easy they don't see it as impossible. The fire did not burn through the fuselage but the structure did suffer enough damage, as could be seen by the charred skin of the plane. It has remain to be seen if the damaged parts can be patched or if the whole rear section of the fuselage has to be replaced.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #2466
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Are people avoiding it because of safety issues, or because of reliability issues which in my opinion is more likely?

But as no airline has reported about disappointing load factors it doesn't seem the general public seems to care too much. For example, the JAL 787 that returned to Boston because of an issue with a fuel pump was 95% full.
I'd fly on it tomorrow if I could.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 03:18 PM   #2467
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LOT LN88 delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...730Z/KPAE/EPWA
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Old July 29th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #2468
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Apparently the Ethiopian aircraft isn't due to leave till later this evening.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #2469
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The Ethiopian did indeed not leave for Addis Ababa yesterday. Just like Qatar's last delivery, although that was because of a small mishap during push-back from the delivery center that resulted in a check that nothing was wrong with the plane before Qatar would actually take delivery.


There's also a scheduled B-1 for:

LN106 ZA320 G-TUID TUI Travel (Thomson)
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In fire related news.

Boeing has instructed specific airlines to check the Honeywell ELT beacons on most Boeing planes (717, 737NG, 744, 767 & 777).
http://www.boeingblogs.com/randy/arc...spections.html

"The purpose of these inspections to is gather data to support potential rulemaking by regulators."
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Old July 30th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #2470
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Royal Brunei's first 787 Dreamliner

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Old July 30th, 2013, 01:18 AM   #2471
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A7-BCF getting her final touchs at KFTW

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Did Kuwait Airways Order The Dreamliner ?

This Pic Is Taken At The Dreamliner Gallery

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The second Dreamliner for RB is right behind the first one ! Another RB employ captured a footage for the second frame interior , no seats were installed yet , but it shows white walls and beige bulkheads !
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LN93 ZA383 B-2732 for China Southern finally in paint:
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Old July 30th, 2013, 12:43 PM   #2475
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The second Dreamliner for RB is right behind the first one ! Another RB employ captured a footage for the second frame interior , no seats were installed yet , but it shows white walls and beige bulkheads !
Do you have the url for the second frame?
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Did Kuwait Airways Order The Dreamliner ?

This Pic Is Taken At The Dreamliner Gallery

http://instagram.com/p/V2YQQOjA7b/
They had an order but cancelled it in 2007 because of financing issues.
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Do you have the url for the second frame?
Video Footage :

-From the outside http://instagram.com/p/cXOAxHldAB/

-And the inside http://instagram.com/p/cXPMFxFdCJ/
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Very nice footage, thanks for sharing.
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Why when I click on link for instagram it appears a blank page?
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Old July 30th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #2480
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Kinda surprises me that Boeing does not paint the 787 or the 777 in Washington but flies them to ( PDX-777 ) and (FTW-787 ) to get painted. CHS built 787s get flown somewhere else to be painted too or do they have a paint shop in CHS?
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