daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Airports and Aviation

Airports and Aviation » Airports | Photos and Videos



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old October 23rd, 2013, 09:03 AM   #2941
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

The Seattle Times have an article on the repairs of the Ethiopian 787 in London that was damaged when the ELT catched fire earlier this year.

Quote:
Boeing readies patch for fire-damaged 787

Behind a scaffolding erected more than a week ago at London’s Heathrow Airport, a repair team will glue a giant composite plastic skin patch into the burned crown of the fuselage, said two people with knowledge of the details. Boeing has scheduled five weeks for the repair, one said.
Read the full article here:
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...repairxml.html

This means that they won't replace complete fuselage section, but add a patch on the parts of the rear section that were damaged. All in all it's a major test for Boeing to see how a plane that is made from carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic composites can be repaired this way. The company will gain a lot knowledge about such a fix during the process, that's probably the main reason why they didn't replace just the rear section or even the complete plane.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old October 23rd, 2013, 06:19 PM   #2942
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

2 Tweets from Boeing about the production rate.

McNerney: 787 production operating as planned at 7/month, with increasing efficiencies as we approach 10/month by year-end #Boeing
https://twitter.com/Boeing/status/393024172244598784

RT @Boeing: #Boeing intends to increase 787 rate to 12/month in 2016, plans to increase to 14/month before end of decade
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...77667420880896
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #2943
PiotrG
庶民サンプル
 
PiotrG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 第2PRL
Posts: 10,252

During the foggy days LN79 ZA432 has been completed, painted and moved to flightline. Registration is B-2729. Finally happy end for this unloved frame.



http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/10/pai...ctober-23.html

//Tent over ET-AOP:
http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-...546_large.html
__________________

patel2897, Highcliff liked this post

Last edited by PiotrG; October 24th, 2013 at 02:39 PM.
PiotrG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #2944
EK413
Registered User
 
EK413's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,891
Likes (Received): 1895

ET-AOP let the repairs begin!

[IMG]http://i43.************/2lo3hw0.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.airteamimages.com/boeing-...546_large.html

Sources have estimated 5 weeks to complete the repairs.
__________________
EK413
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
EK413 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #2945
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

Korean Air has ordered 1 extra 787-9.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-10-...isle-Airplanes

Which brings the total firm orders to 980.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff, Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #2946
CHS787NERD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 46
Likes (Received): 22

LN85 ZA434 for Hainan finally was able to get back in the air today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE434
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
CHS787NERD no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2013, 08:39 AM   #2947
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

Also a good flight day in Everett yesterday after all the foggy days. It also fooled Flightaware which thinks that all 3 have landed in Moses Lake. But the flightpaths on the map do show that all landed back in Everett, skipping the usual stop and go at Moses Lake.


LN130 ZA446 V8-DLB Royal Brunei Airlines
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE446

LN32 ZA235 VT-ANG Air India
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE235

LN127 ZA563 N965AM ILFC/Aeromexico
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE563


The last flight had some issues when coming back to Everett.

"Boeing Everett Fire Dept is standing by for Aeromexico N965AM to land the 787 has "flap issues""
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/393518483800993792

It did land safely,
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff, Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2013, 01:56 PM   #2948
baldyman26
Registered User
 
baldyman26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 426
Likes (Received): 69

Ref ET-AOP, how exactly are they repairing it. Are they simply replacing panels. I though carbon fibre bodies were produced in a different way?
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
baldyman26 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #2949
abnet
Registered User
 
abnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Atlanta / Addis Ababa
Posts: 1,592
Likes (Received): 765

Quote:
Originally Posted by baldyman26 View Post
Ref ET-AOP, how exactly are they repairing it. Are they simply replacing panels. I though carbon fibre bodies were produced in a different way?
I hope this will answer your question

Quote:
Boeing readies patch for fire-damaged 787

Boeing will repair the 787 Dreamliner jet damaged in a fire at Heathrow by making a duplicate fuselage section and cutting out a piece of it to create a giant patch, in a process one expert says is “pushing the limits of what’s been done in the past.”

By Dominic Gates

Seattle Times aerospace reporter



Boeing has begun the delicate, expensive and crucial process of repairing the 787 Dreamliner that was badly damaged by a fire last July, approaching the fix in a way that will be closely tracked by its customers and competitors.

Behind a scaffolding erected more than a week ago at London’s Heathrow Airport, where the Ethiopian Airlines plane has been idled since summer, a repair team will glue a giant composite plastic skin patch into the burned crown of the fuselage, said two people with knowledge of the details. Boeing has scheduled five weeks for the repair, one said.

It’s a very complicated procedure, but less so than the alternative option that was suggested by some observers: pulling out and replacing the entire aft fuselage section, which Boeing fabricates as a single-piece barrel.

Company spokesman Doug Alder confirmed that repair work has started in London but declined to provide details beyond saying the work “is progressing well.”

Speaking Tuesday at the Cargo Facts aircraft symposium in Seattle, Asrat Begashaw, acting managing director of Ethiopian Cargo, said management expects to have its damaged 787 back in service in about two months.

Because the 787 is the first large commercial jet made from carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic composites, there’s no precedent for the substantial damage to the Ethiopian jet’s hull.

Fixing it is the first major test of the repairability of Boeing’s Dreamliner, so it’s vital to giving airlines confidence the jet will prove robust in service.

The aviation industry is watching “with very high interest” because the damaged piece is a load-bearing structure that’s critical to safe flight, said Eric Casterline, president of Heatcon Composite Systems, a leading maker of composites-repair equipment in Seattle.

“Boeing’s repair is going to be pushing the limits of what’s been done in the past,” said Casterline. “This needs to be done right. The aerospace community needs the assurance that this can be done.”

If the jet’s fuselage was a traditional aluminum one with aluminum skin panels riveted together, this repair could be done relatively easily by replacing any damaged panels.

Boeing’s one-piece barrel sections for the 787 are also harder to fix than the structure Airbus has designed for its composite plastic A350.

Airbus fastens together composite panels to make the A350 fuselage, closer to the traditional structural design of a metal airplane and similarly replaceable in case of damage.

Boeing’s design is lighter in weight and enables a streamlined manufacturing process, but it must prove to be repairable, too.

The fire on the Ethiopian Airlines 787 broke out July 12 when the airplane was parked and empty.

Investigators believe it was likely caused by the incorrect installation of a small lithium battery inside an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), an electronic device found on many planes that transmits location data to satellites in the event of a crash.

The fire caused intense heat damage above the ceiling at the back of the passenger cabin. It scorched a large area of the carbon-fiber skin on the crown of the fuselage in front of the vertical tail fin.

A complex repair

While some speculated that Boeing might have to replace the entire fuselage barrel, company engineers decided against that, as first reported last week on aviation blog Airchive.com.

To begin the repair, the jet maker several weeks ago fabricated a full rear fuselage barrel in its North Charleston, S.C., factory.

It then cut out the crown section to supply a skin patch for the repair of the jet in London, said a Boeing engineer, one of the two people with knowledge of the details.

Several other pieces of composite skin were cut from the same barrel section to provide an inventory of repair patches for future use.

A different Boeing engineer, who is an expert in composite repairs, said putting in the patch will be complex and difficult.

But he said it would have been even more trouble to take the other approach — disconnecting all the wiring, air and fuel systems and then inserting a full fuselage section that would mesh exactly with the section in front of it and the tail behind it.

On condition of anonymity, this engineer explained the likely repair process.

Boeing will cut out the skin damaged by the fire probably in a rectangular cut with rounded edges, he said.

It will cut the patch to the same size and shape and drop it into the space as a plug. The tiny gap around the patch will be filled with paintable sealant that will stretch and compress as the fuselage is pressurized and unpressurized.

Then mechanics will work on the inside, gluing a splice plate to the original skin and to the patch, overlapping both by about 4 inches.

The glue is a superstrong adhesive that is cured using heat blankets that are held under pressure by vacuum bags applied to the area.

Heatcon makes the electronic boxes used to monitor the temperature and pressure, which must be controlled carefully for hours as the adhesive hardens.

In addition to the skin patch, Boeing’s mechanics must repair the stringers — the stiffening rods that run longitudinally along the fuselage — which will be cut when the damaged section is removed.

They’ll have to lay wet composite tape precisely in the shape of the stringer at the point where it was cut and cure it to hardness, again using heat blankets and vacuum bags maintaining the precise temperature and pressure.


All this work will be intricate and must be done precisely to ensure the glue sets as expected and the repair is safe.

University of Washington professor Mark Tuttle, director of UW’s Center of Excellence for Advanced Materials in Transport Aircraft Structures, said proving a bonded repair is sound can be difficult.

“One issue with adhesive bonding is you can inspect the bond with ultrasonic inspection and find no gaps or voids, but nevertheless the strength of the bond is lower than anticipated,” he said.

He said Boeing will stress-test the result after the repair is finished, including flight tests with instruments attached to measure the strain on the patch.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will likely have to sign off on the airworthiness of the jet after repair, Tuttle said. The FAA did not respond to an emailed query before deadline.

The Boeing engineer with knowledge of the repair preparations said the company will gain valuable experience from this repair of a major composite skin section.

“Chances are there’ll be issues along the way as they figure out their expertise,” he said. “It’s all brand new ground.”

Dominic Gates: (206) 464-2963 or [email protected]
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...repairxml.html
__________________

Highcliff, baldyman26, xJamaax liked this post
abnet no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2013, 03:12 PM   #2950
PiotrG
庶民サンプル
 
PiotrG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 第2PRL
Posts: 10,252

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Cawby
ZA5 is in Bay 1 of the EMC tonight
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/393929013699174400[

So this means VT-ANC is probably outside, highly possibly completed. 2nd option is VT-ANB has been moved to paint hangar.

---
Quote:
- Boeing takes an additional 5 Billion Dollar charge on deferred production
- Breakeven to occur in 2015 Boeing says if production stays steady once successfully risen to 10 frames/month
- 2015 means break even occurs after 500-600 deliveries
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5904714/

In the best option Boeing will delivery 115th frame this year.
+120 in 2014 = 235
+ 120 in 2015 = 355 frames
so how the hell they counted 500-600 deliveries?
Rather 300-400 and this is rather quickly.
__________________

baldyman26, Highcliff liked this post

Last edited by PiotrG; October 26th, 2013 at 07:43 PM.
PiotrG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #2951
EK413
Registered User
 
EK413's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,891
Likes (Received): 1895

V8-DLA (cn 34785/128) BI's first Dreamliner coming in for a customary shower upon arrival from BWN. However this aircraft was delayed for 4.5hrs for its return to BWN due to engine problem.
Royal Brunei Airlines
Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner


[IMG]http://i39.************/2hd71jr.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Royal...0282536882f08a
__________________
EK413
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!

Highcliff liked this post
EK413 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2013, 02:21 PM   #2952
GTR66
GTR66
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,274
Likes (Received): 312

Once again an engine problem for the 787.

LAN Plans Boeing 787 Service to Miami from August 2014

LANChile is planning to introduce Boeing 787 operation on Santiago de Chile – Miami service, starting 08AUG14, as per 29OCT13 GDS timetable/inventory display. The Dreamliner is scheduled to operate 11 weekly service, although further changes remain highly possible.

LA500 SCL2145 – 0605+1MIA 787 D
LA502 SCL2245 – 0730+1MIA 763 x247
LA502 SCL2245 – 0730+1MIA 787 247

LA503 MIA2140 – 0550+1MIA 787 135
LA503 MIA2140 – 0550+1MIA 763 x135
LA501 MIA2245 – 0655+1SCL 787 D
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
GTR66 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 31st, 2013, 11:55 PM   #2953
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

LN127 ZA563 N965AM ILFC/Aeromexico delivered:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMX8500


This is #97, just 3 to go for #100.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff, MEXLZC, Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 1st, 2013, 01:40 AM   #2954
giovani kun
====(^.^)====
 
giovani kun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 世界 に
Posts: 2,902
Likes (Received): 559

when are we gonna have the first 787-9 delivery ?
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
giovani kun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 1st, 2013, 09:35 AM   #2955
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

Mid 2014

June 2014 is sometimes given as the month when it will be delivered to Air New Zealand, but most times it's just mid 2014.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff, Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 2nd, 2013, 03:17 AM   #2956
PiotrG
庶民サンプル
 
PiotrG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 第2PRL
Posts: 10,252

LN139 ZB021 N789ZB 3rd 789 test frame rolled out from FAL (test equipment already installed). This is only 789 test frame with GEnx-1B engines, and first new frame with PIP2 engines (ZA005 N787FT has PIP2, because it's was testbed during certification).
Next 789 will be production frame for ANA, LN146 ZB197 JA826A. This one is already undergoing final assembly in the main Everett 787 FAL (test frames were assembled in surge line 40-24 building)


https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/396374326833721344
http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/11/pai...ovember-1.html
---
1st delivery this month. LN130 ZA446 V8-DLB for Royal Brunei.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...200Z/KPAE/WBSB
---
ZB001 N789EX on the 40-51 apron

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/11/pai...ovember-1.html

LN136 ZA650 EL-LNC B1 flight:

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/11/pai...ovember-1.html
__________________

Equario, Highcliff liked this post

Last edited by PiotrG; November 2nd, 2013 at 04:18 AM.
PiotrG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 2nd, 2013, 01:55 PM   #2957
Xtartrex
Your nemesis
 
Xtartrex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Free citizen of the world
Posts: 1,606

Royal Brunei looks sleek!
__________________
Baoding my current city

Through my lense

EK413 liked this post
Xtartrex no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2013, 04:05 PM   #2958
XWB
Too low - terrain
 
XWB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 408
Likes (Received): 441

Quote:
Next 789 will be production frame for ANA, LN146 ZB197 JA826A. This one is already undergoing final assembly in the main Everett 787 FAL (test frames were assembled in surge line 40-24 building)
As far as I can see, ZB197 too has been loaded on the surge line in the 40-24 building.
XWB no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2013, 07:06 PM   #2959
PiotrG
庶民サンプル
 
PiotrG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 第2PRL
Posts: 10,252

Quote:
Originally Posted by XWB View Post
As far as I can see, ZB197 too has been loaded on the surge line in the 40-24 building.
I'm pretty sure this one was in 40-26. Sorry, my mistake.
PiotrG no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2013, 03:04 PM   #2960
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,235
Likes (Received): 62985

Delivery #99

LN 32 ZA235 VT-ANG Air India
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC164


Which one will be next and be the 100th delivery?
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Zaz965 liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
airplane, boeing

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium